1983-10-01 Kazu Radio interview, Santa Cruz, USA
Summary
This video discusses the speaker's journey and mission to bring mass realization to humanity. It explores the nature of spiritual teachers, the importance of self-realization, and the concept of the Divine Mother. The speaker also touches upon the evolution of matter, the role of sex in spiritual growth, and the true meaning of love and will.
Key points- The speaker was born with an understanding of the need to find a method for mass realization, as individual realization is insufficient and can lead to misunderstanding or destruction of realized souls.
- The speaker chose to be born into a Protestant family, believing their rational approach would allow for deeper understanding and eventual transcendence.
- The speaker's parents were aware of her mission and supported her in her quest to understand human beings and find a way to grant them realization.
- The speaker studied medicine to understand the vocabulary associated with the human body and nervous system, even though she already possessed the knowledge.
- The speaker emphasizes that true gurus do not live off their disciples' earnings and that those who do are parasitic.
- The speaker explains that true baptism is a real inner experience, not an artificial ritual, and leads to feeling the 'Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost'.
Chapters
Notable quotes (4)
“that I was born with this understanding and awareness that I have to find out a method by which I could give a mass realization”
“all the saints who came on this Earth Christ was crucified was given poison because they were ignorant they did not know what it was what was he saying”
“first and foremost thing is anybody who lives on your earnings is not a youth a guru will never live on the earnings of his disciples”
“see death is just like changing your clothes”
0:00some questions about who you are who were you as a child what people influenced you what brought you to the place you are today it's a luminous being sitting before me and before us I'm a very ancient being that problem is like this I had to what can I tell you about myself I just don't know what part will interest you but uh only thing I can say that I was born with this understanding and awareness that I have to find out a method by which I could give a mass realization I was a realized soul of course I knew all about it from my very child
0:52but the problem problem was that how to make many people get it because if one person gets it one person has it if one person is an Incarnation people don't understand not only that but they may even try to destroy students that's what happened to all the saints who came on this Earth Christ was crucified was given poison because they were ignorant they did not know what it was what was he saying so it was important first of all to to find out a method how to be them a mass realization and from that angle I just thought that this is why I am on
1:41this Earth and I have to do this job for which I wanted to study about human beings I took my birth in a Christian family and that to a family which was Protestant because I felt that Protestants are fanatics but very sophisticated and they rationalize everything to such an extent that nobody can see beyond it so I better take my birth in them and my father and mother had already taken birth who I had chosen as my parents they were great people realized souls and especially my father was a person who knew why I was on this Earth even my mother knew about it so a special report was between them and
2:38me and they could understand why I was busy meditating or finding out about how to give realization to others then I would say my father was a very learned man who knew about 14 languages who translated Quran Sharif into Hindi who was a member of the constituent assembly we made our constitution also he was the only Christian to be elected in those days and then my mother was a honors in mathematics all very well educated and nice people they dedicated their life to the cause of freedom of India and I also felt that that was very important because if if we are not free we cannot do anything on religious basis
3:30this one thing is to be free from this level and that's how I also helped them a lot and our whole family suffered a lot and I went through terrible times terrible times since very young age I was with Mahatma Gandhi also because he liked me very much as a child so I still don't believe then I used to come back to study again go back to you he used to call me Nepali because my face has a Nepali face and he used to talk to me as if he's talking to his grandmother sometimes it was very sweet and he was a very sweet man extremely
4:06sweet person to Children very strict with himself and stayed with others elderly people but with children he was very very sweet and kind and would try to learn from children a lot of things it was surprising how he understood that there's lot of wisdom with the children sometimes than with the older people who are mixed up now we got our independence and we had a very bad setback because of the partition he had in our country and I was studying in love or Medical College there because I wanted to know about medicine what these people call such a such thing because I knew all this but I knew about
4:58the body I knew about everything what you call the complete nervous system but I did not know what was the vocabulary attached to it so I studied there for two years and after that this war broke out so I had to discontinue with my studies and my parents wanted me to get married and then I found uh that my marriage was important I agreed to marry and I married this gentleman Mr CP srivastava then during all that time my only Pastime or the full-time work was to find out about human beings what's the problem they have how what they avoid reality how they shun it how they run away from
5:45it what are their problems how are they seeking what do they have to offer what will they accept how to handle them it was quite an intricate question every person provided a new a new sample of problems and I had to fight it out in a way that it was a system which I knew how to do it because to enter into somebody subtly to understand the problems of the Kundalini you can go into the journey and find out about a person and then I found out the permutations and combinations of their problems so like it is like you can say that like periodic tables you have to divide them
6:28into three then into seven then into their permutations and combinations so you can imagine three into seven raised to power it are making it was like that but doesn't matter it worked out and in the year 1970 on the 5th of May I was little bit hesitant at that time I thought I should wait but certain circumstances made me too openly last sentence and when I opened the last Center it started working with others it on our mask but still I gave realization only two one lady who came to my house I tried if it works out with her and she I gave a realization by touching her centers one
7:22by one uh six centers and then bringing out the Kundalini on top of the head what does it mean to open the last century last Center is the center which is the limbic area where is the seat of all the seven sectors it's all integration there so far everybody who has come like Christ has come on this Center what you call the agate or Krishna has come on this Center which is the vishudicha like that they have been appearing on every center of a verse giving us a new dimension to our awareness and that's how our awareness has improved to this extent and now the
8:03time is for you to get your absolute to you get yours spell it that your spirit must shine into your attention that you should have your self-realization that you should have your second birth that's the time and that is only possible if baptism the real baptism works out real not artificial somebody coming and putting the hand on your head and saying now you are baptized that's not the way but it is a real thing that happens that you start feeding the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out so then I started giving first of all realization without confronting any kind of opposition or anything I started with
8:53one lady and I went ahead with it then the first 12 people got realization then I was very happy because our Mass realization has started then gradually it started working out I went to Indian Villages I thought they are better simple people first work on the simpler people and they got realization now we have thousands of people in The Villages who have got realization they have dropped out all their bad habits they have become very creative they are doing very well they are very happy and they are experts so many of them are experts I can say in India now whom we call as sahaja Yogi maybe in thousands some are
9:35working in The Villages some are working in some cities so we have lots of people now in India who can do this job this all happened since 1970. I started yeah I have a question that's important to me and to many people who are who are searching for something or speaking perhaps what you call self-realization or sahaja yoga or something we some of us don't know exactly what it is and we find that there are many teachers how do we recognize those teachers that you might call fraudulent from the real ones it's so difficult because they they all seem to be able to inspire Us in
10:18certain ways and give us experiences how do we know something and it's true and who is being deceptive first and foremost thing is anybody who lives on your earnings is not a youth a guru will never live on the earnings of his disciples but here there are people who have built palaces but aircrafts and cars and this I mean this is something one should understand it so so open to you to understand I mean this I cannot understand more obviously that this one is that it's a parasitic living and you cannot have a parasites as your gurus they can be parasites but not your gurus that's one of the things
11:08I mean you can retain some people you know if you want because you are rich people you can retain some that's a different one but you cannot have them as gurus Guru has to be a higher personality see now you have seen Christ was such a great Incarnation he didn't take any money from anyone he was a carpenter son and he used to do carpentry himself and he lived like a modest man he never lived with big cars and big houses it's not necessary because such a person is himself is a very big king you see like a big Emperor he doesn't need anything an emperor
11:45doesn't need anything because nothing can give him Comfort except that he himself is in complete comfort so such a person doesn't want anything so you must see that such a person has no needs of comfort at all he can sleep on the grounds he can sleep anywhere now in this life I should say I come from a quite a wealthy family or married to another wealthy man you can say that way according to your own relative idea but me I can sleep in and I have no problem I have no problem of food no problem or sleeping anywhere no comfort and it's I find it is beyond my self-respect to
12:28live on the earnings of others it's not proper but you are my children supposing now you bring a flower to me or something it's all right but I can't have a palace out of your money and all this is absurd absolutely absurd so this is one thing one should know that if Pampers our ego that we can purchase our Guru we can purchase ourselves for realization you see this is a very subtle company and that's how people accept to see they don't want to accept a person who says you cannot offer anything is too much for them or maybe that secondly that people think that if you pay something then you
13:09get attached to it you go through it Whatever It Is say you have paid for a ticket and you find that the whole place horrid you can't bear it but you have to go through it because you're paid for it that's a human nature you see that's a human nature I have seen that they do it and that's what it works out but this is very gross level I'm telling you but another should be that in these modern times it is promised that you will become prophets you have to become prophets so you must say have you become profits out of these it's easiest is to see the Disciples of
13:44this one any x y z who says he's a guru now what is happening to the disciple is he a free person has he got any knowledge has he got any Mastery what has he achieved by being with that person now you have seen here there are sahaja yogis one better than the other you talk to them they are knowledge some of them have met me only for say eight days or so they'll become not so what have they achieved you should say what is their style of Life their pattern of Life how they behave and there cannot be any privacy about it you see like Mafia you don't tell that and
14:20you don't say that and you shouldn't do that of course in sahaja yoga the truth is exposed gradually but it is not like this that if you give some money nobody knows everybody knows everything in sahaja yoga you see now supposing we have to build an ashram sorry for example all right you think your ashram you collect your money to what you like and know about it I have nothing to do with it also among yourself you should know how you got the money how you spent this what is the expense and all that because ashram you can pay for but not for your realization
14:55and this is one thing is very important that what you get out of it is important that you should become a prophet have you become a prophet then thirdly you must know that if you are going from one to another what we call Guru shopping business that means you have not found it otherwise you would just settle down but some people are so weak that they do settle down with one and are finished with that you must always see the people who go to these gurus what have they got have they got that transformation because this is the age of transformation mataji what about teachers or gurus who produce Miracles
15:37you go to a guru who will materialize something out of the air and say this is divine that's the best it's all jugglery and also you see now supposing somebody says I produce a diamond now these people come from India why don't they solve the financial problem of India
16:04you should say that then all right one gentleman came to me said that he gave me a diamond I said why you how many damage you have you said hundreds then I said why did he give you you should give to your driver who hasn't got a diamond you see that is what it so it is all jugglery you should see those who fertilized what have they given you they have to give you something eternal if they talk about God God is not going to give you a diamond which God has given diamonds to people have you heard of anyone giving Diaries no so you should ask for something which is
16:40the height which is the Supreme most now the 40 which is very important that whatever experiences you get for example some people start to just like jumping some start shouting some start behaving like animals and they say oh that's what is coming out you are taking out you see they feel very bad they get horrible diseases they get into troubles and they get into pains and all sorts of things and contortions they say now your subconscious is coming up nothing has to be brought out that's one thing you must know the subconscious as I told you is on the left hand side and the Supra
17:18conscious on the right hand side what you have to do is to ascend in the center and come up above your head is the super Consciousness and when you become that then you develop Collective consciousness so those who want you to become like frogs again you must know that you are not going to become frogs anymore that's not any way Evolution Evolution has to go higher not becoming frogs or earthworms you see and if you start crawling it is simple mesmerism anybody mesmerizes can do these tricks you see a simple mesmerism and then to believe that now you are surrendered and all that is all nonsense
18:03it has no meaning to to realization in realization you just become the must become the master of it there are many people in this country who came and viewed You by their talks also talking pink about from what is that and everything that is not the way you can that is what is just the pendulum moving from Christian sermon to Hindu sermon and from Hindu sermon to Islamic sermon from there to the rabbi sermon she goes on like that you see that's not the way you have to rise higher within yourself and that's why those who lecture about these things are really sometimes can be
18:45very very dangerous on so many have died of cancer days that I don't know what to say that people who go to these people get into very bad troubles and suffer so much and then on top of that when all this happens I said you must suffer you must pay to suffer who suffer and then people God suffering now one more thing I have to tell you that Christ has suffered for us we don't have to suffer anymore those who deny sufferings will have to go for suffering all right have it but he suffered for us there is no need for us to suffer anymore when he is awakened within us
19:28takes away all that is our ego means our karmas our super ego that is our conditioning completely removed and you become one with a divine there is no need for anybody to suffer and this idea of suffering is all nonsensical you should not suffer at all good
19:54mataji you're called mother and it seems that in in the Hindu tradition there is a special context or meaning of the word mother what is this meaning you see in the uh Indian philosophy even in the Christian philosophy it is so but it has been little bit changed if you read the books of his sins you will find if I have described the mother you see the Holy Ghost is the mother when they say about the Holy Ghost she's the mother but how can you have you must reason it out how can you have a father and a son without a mother isn't it simple thing
20:31like that you see so is the mother only Holy Ghost is very important so Holy Ghost is the mother you see in absurd thing I mean to have such a thing even homosexuals cannot have children it's funny thing isn't it absolutely absurd but Christians accepted this I don't know why why didn't they go in to find out what is this Holy Ghost business is they said it's a mystery how can you say it's a mystery when you cannot explain then better not say anything about it so Holy Ghost is something hanging in the air no one knows it's a mystery and the rest of his the father and the son he's
21:03absurd now the principle of mother is in a free every scripture has to be there now the mother's character is that she's the one who is the who she's the one who is the mother and she is the one who nourishes you she's she nourishes us you know that and this feminine thing you know what my in every human being besides as this Kundalini as you have seen and when she Rises she gives you this new event which becomes compassion which is Flowing which becomes uh soothing nourishing energy of love and that's what today people are saying feminist for this thing and all that that's again a pendulum a man becoming a
21:53woman woman becoming man all these problems here are because of this but when you move spirally upward then where do you move you move become a personality full of compassion of love of universal understanding through Collective Consciousness and then you rise up to a position where you become universally conscious so that is what should happen to you and if that happens then we should say that your motherly qualities within you have received and that's what we have so far neglected you do not become a woman but you become motherly first the father then the son and now the mother all right what is the role of a woman in
22:43this world the role of feminine principle I would say I don't say that women as women who are born as women only have the role even the men have everyone has because everyone has Kundalini within them but the women must know that if they are women they have a greater responsibility not that they should sit at home and only look after children and brood and then nag the husbands when they come home that's not their role the role is such that they have to be forebear any person who is the mother has to be like the mother earth how much is forbearing how much she
23:24suffers we take her out we torture her life still she's giving all the time she's soothing forgiving bearing it out we are doing so many sinful things I mean she should explode she does not she's very careful she's slowly slowly informs that now get out of this place crumbling she's so kind see that all should come to us so it's not that it is only the women who should settle down with these qualities but the time has come that men have to have these qualities otherwise there will be always an imbalance so now the men have to become extremely kind affectionate compassionate give up that competitive
24:07spirit that fighting Spirit like Napoleon had all those ideas are outdated now whom do you respect people like Mahatma Gandhi or Abraham Lincoln everywhere an American should think of Abraham Lincoln yes indeed mother what are we doing here what is the purpose of life on Earth what are human beings walking around on this planet for you you are especially made by God you are specially chosen by God to be human beings and you are here with a very great purpose the first purpose of God is that you should become the vehicle of God's Powers completely so that he flows through you he flows into this
24:55atmosphere into this universe to make it a Divine place if you when you get realization what happens these all your abnormalities drop out and you become very normal person and these vibrations of Cool Breeze start flowing with this now you can give it to Mother Earth you can give it to the plants you can give it to the trees the whole thing becomes a a garden of Allah where you reside in complete joy and happiness the second purpose is that God has prepared you now to settle into his think that's your throne that's your right to be there it could have been short circuited at a
25:36time when Adam and Eve were called and told not to go into this so-called book A book of knowledge or the fruit of knowledge but they didn't listen you see if you give freedom to someone then what's wrong things which were which were brought to the to them by a satanic force and they accepted it so that was the original sin we have committed so they had to take incarnations do all those things and now brought it to this level where human beings have to be going back to the position where they were to go mother what is true nature of death is it possible that you can choose not to
26:17die what's the purpose of death see death is just like changing your clothes so sometimes when you use too much of your clothes get tired you want to change it like that death you see nobody dies there's nothing that dies except that the part that is the mother earth and the part that is the water falls off and you remain as you are but if you are a realized Soul then you have a choice if you want to be born again you would like to be born if you don't want to be born you will not be born but after realization it becomes your choice if
26:54you want to die you can die if you don't want to die you need not die what you want because you think that uh uh let us die and come back as new people again to help Mother many of us have heard discussions or read in books about the evolution of matter the evolution of substance what is what are your views on on evolving matter and how does this relate to our own physical matter in our bodies ourselves so the matter did go into Evolution you know that and when the carbon was established actually our first chakra was established that's carbon which is tetravalent and carbon is the one we
27:40started producing amino acids you see when amino acids started uh manifesting itself this then the other processes took place by which the evolution of say from amoeba to human stage took place that also we understand very well after getting realization how we became from amoeba to human stage and after human stage we have to achieve our uh socialization means the spirit which is in our in our heart has to manifest in our attention or we have to feel it on central nervous system but what is the relationship between matter and this we should see that point is important now through the matter all our centers are
28:27made for example the two centers that are down below are made of the mother earth principle and then another one and another one like that all these elements have contributed to make the centers and these centers are just like mirrors made and the reflection of the Divine falls on them then at a human level that the matter improves so much goes into such evolutionary processes that the reflection at the Heart level improves so much that the spirit shy is there and the Kundalini is properly set for your Evolution which is the epitome of evolution like this instrument that is made one by one first collecting this
29:11part that part that part then put together now the time has come for you to be put to the means now this has nothing to do with the electricity if you see exists without electricity but it can carry the electricity in the same way we become the lamp and when we become the lamb the light can be brought in and we become enlightened so there is a big relationship between the land and the night but light can not exist without the lamp so lab has to be there mother can I ask you a question about sex yes please it was stated today that sex has nothing
29:50to do with Evolution the way it's been described in sahaja yoga what does this mean you see the thing is that we think that by doing sex or by going into sex we can evolve is absolutely false you have not become a human being from amoeba to this stage by doing sex because animals all do sex everybody does sex if they do it or not makes no difference the thing is the evolution takes place only through your sick when you start seeking something then only you evolve and the seeking first was for food if you see the animals was for food she sets for spontaneous they don't
30:28think about it they don't read about it they don't have any education about it nothing sex comes from spontaneously just like your breathing you see you don't have to have as you have in your schools now teaching sex what is there to teach I don't understand it is such a spontaneous thing on the contrary the more you talk about it the worse it becomes you see and the more it becomes a brain thing you you cannot do sex with your brain you see so it's all a nonsensical thing all these things have added to your problems of importancy and all sorts of things in this country too
30:59much thinking about sex at the time of sex you are nowhere you're lost so what's the use of such a life you see so the people who think about sex too much are really very unnatural people they are very unnatural to be natural is to keep it spontaneous to live very spontaneously of course as an Indian lady it is too much to speak on details but I would say that yeah we are not supposed to even say the word sex in Indian land or Indian life see it's like that you see but I think we are very potent people the amount of children we are producing you can never
31:36produce even if you want it so
31:47now the thing is that uh I as a mother I give all sort of Grace to these people Grace marks I should say when they said that the sex can take you to Kundalini because you know in the beginning they must have tried something like that and they must have seen the and the expression of the deity which has got a trunk which is settled on the center we call it as ganapathi who actually incarnated as Christ on this Earth later on but he is the ganapati and there you see just the trunk and they must have misunderstood that this trunk is the Kundalini because it has a shape like
32:33and that's why they might have said it but it's the most dangerous thing if you go through sex then you open yourself absolutely to her if you go towards sex and try to come to God is absolutely wrong see Christ has gone to such a limit because Christ was born here and he looks after our all optic lobes and all this part of the eyes and what he said Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes just see what does that mean that means you have innocent eyes he was innocence he was the embodiment of Innocence Thou shalt not have a dental size no lust and no
33:15greet in your eyes now is only possible is Christ is awakened with it once he's awakened within you then you will have your innocence and you will also lose the lust from your eyes eyes will be absolutely looking but not getting involved that sort of a thing will happen to you so the sex which is a normal thing to do has to be Sanctified by Collective people should be done in a proper way so that you get good children the marriage should be Sanctified collectively and should be done in a proper way and should be looked after because now of course people are on a
33:55different line but when I had come 10 years back when I told them that you have to have sanity about sex you're very angry and they said you are Victorian they call me Queen Victoria but now I think they have learned a lesson because I had told them I had told them that you will get a disease which you will not be able to work on don't do all this nonsense of perversion it's very nonsensical but even now they are trying to evade the issue don't try to evade issue you can be cured of that disease if you can awaken your innocence within yourself through the grace of Christ only you can
34:31do it mother we have learned hurt when when we learn love then we shall have will what is the relationship between love and will when we'll have love then we'll have will put love is when you become the spirit because spirit is nothing but God's love it's all pervading power is respect so when you become know that love which is not attachment it's not attachment you see like a sap rises in the in the tree it goes to the even to the trunk and then to the branches to the leaves to the flowers to everyone it doesn't settle down into one flower if it does then the flower dies
35:22and the tree also dies so it is not attached but it is nourishing it does what it has to do that kind of a love which is absolutely without any conditions unconditional without any lust without any grief that kind of our love when you will know that is only possible when you will become the spirit then you will know the will of God the will of God what is to be done because you don't know now you have to then when you get your realization what happens hey this Cool Breeze is like a computer work you ask the computer now should I do this work if it is yes
36:02you'll have cool vibrations if not no vibrations so you will know his will thy will be done you see how do you know his will then you just know you become the knowledge when you become the knowledge when you become the love then you become the knowledge even in everyday life if you love somebody you know a lot about that person father this afternoon you said something very interesting in response to a question by a woman and the response that you gave was that service and sacrifice are a myth or is a myth can you describe what you meant by that that's easy when I said that when you
36:42become a saint in the sense when you become a realized Soul you find that you are collectively conscious then what happens that if somebody has got a problem you feel it on your hair fingertips now you rub your fingertips and the person feels all right now you have done no service you have done no sacrifice it's your finger that is in trouble now if you rub your finger who is the other you see this comes out of ignorance and those in India actually they knew it so well that those people who talked of sacrifice and service were called as shudras means Untouchables that means they had no knowledge about
37:18it those people who talk that will serve you you do this Dirty Work of yours that dirty were confused they were called as shudras they are not the people who should be touched because they have no awareness that the all-pervading power of God is there which does everything what you have to do is to just become one with it and when once you are one with the whole primordial being say on my on your body if there's a pain somewhere you just rub it all right you rub it and it's all right there's no obligation on it in any way you have not served anyone you have not
37:51obliged anywhere so the concept that you are one with the whole itself is the Noble's concerned and those people who do not have that concept cannot understand the thing we are serving others we are looking after others who is the other I ask them who is the other that is right this is this is the concept with which Indians have always lived that's something good they have but they also picked up you see when your missionaries went there they also started their missions they start serving and serving another now to the four people now how do we serve we serve in this way in sahaja yoga that
38:30once they get their realization they don't remain so poor at all you see because first of all the poor people have bad habits of drinking all those things drop on so all that money doesn't go into nonsense stuff secondly they get those vibrations now whatever work they are they are in they become dynamic they have no health problem they don't have to go to the doctors they become healthy people mentally they are so alert that they do better than any other we have seen people who came to me and said that our children are very bad at school must do something about them when they got their
39:07realization now they stood first they got all the scholarships everything they are doing so well so such people become also materially better off they don't become extraordinarily rich but they become materially well off satisfied people you see also dissatisfaction is another poverty because you are dissatisfied I think those are the greatest poor people because they are never satisfied but the people who are realized souls are satisfied Souls they know how to live well and they are helped like Krishna has said it he said I'll give you Shema after yoga first he said yo means your well-being so well-being adds after yoga not before mother in the west there's a great
39:58especially I would say in this part of the West and the West Coast there's the great interest in subjects such as Kabbalah tarot astrology spiritual Alchemy how does sahaja yoga relate to these I can't understand that means they are not Seekers those who have such interest you see because these things relate to a material life you see because Kabbalah will tell you when will you get married or how much money you'll have what race you'll win all those things you see God has no interest in these things you see all these things are spiritual Alchemy how we lose change this into gold and what does it matter gold and all those things
40:41what are so important isn't it the most important thing is to be your spirit and those who are seeking the spirit are real Seekers all others are seeking money in some other form you see and then when they go to these people actually these are nothing but spirits and they get possessed by spirits and they have horrible time you see one should never indulge into these things Christ has borne the most of all and we are doing it so often it's very wrong to ask for anything material like that why should we have easy money like that it's not food I think through some Spirit helping
41:18you or something I don't know if it really helps it may little bit help but give you later trouble like one lady had a problem with her husband you see she said that the bad man he's a flirt and all that she went to such a woman and he became as far as she's concerned he came up flirting but he started racing and he got lost in racing then she went there and she said that now uh she she should be all right from recent get out so he started drinking and after sometime he started doing all the three things you see so it was too much so this kind of a
41:53dance since we should not indulge into if you are Seekers but there are category of people who are Seekers that's what I feel and those who are Seekers are getting into it should get out of it and get to your spirit what's the role of the artist in this this work the sahaja yoga an artist IC work like music tremendous it is you see those people who have been realized Souls have created Eternal Art like we can say Michelangelo was a realized Soul so his work is Eternal Art in a produce art which creates vibrations you can feel vibrations from it in the whole church if you oh you
42:34don't you feel all right but when you go to Sistine Chapel and see his brother the whole thing creates you up with vibration they are creators of vibrations imagine the musicians like Mozart Mozart creates vibrations but Wagner so they are the people who are realized Souls you have some tennis players who are realized Souls also perhaps yeah Mcenroe is a realized soul and borgies also and my grandchild told me you know why Borg has retired because another sahaja Yogi has come now the younger one so give chance to him and that's why he's very honorably retired because when Mcenroe speaks you must have seen he
43:20tells himself John now behave yourself he they are in the third person and that's why people don't understand him and he doesn't like to be insulted that's very true any anybody who's the same doesn't like him to be in something so like that you have so many people who are realized Souls we can say even the princess of faith is the realized soul and the new child is a realized Soul so there are so many people like that who are realized Souls the listeners who who will be tuning into this program on the radio have had the experience of being in your presence some of them may have her in this room
43:54what can you say to them about how to how to become a realized Soul or how to achieve this this cool breeze that comes from at the beginning of my lecture if you tell them that they should put their hands towards the radio just turn the radio they might feel the Cool Breeze if they don't feel it then tell them to put the right hand first till they feel the Cool Breeze and left hand up as if ventilating out and then the left hand towards the photo the radio and the right hand up it might work out because it has worked in Hong Kong I'll tell you something interesting I
44:30interviewed Danny and Doug before you came so the listeners that have a chance to come here and one of them called me and said that he went into a meditation in the afternoon and felt the Cool Breeze just by hearing them talk see if sahaja yogis can't do it then when I'm talking should happen
44:52we're about at the end of the interview and what I want to do now mother is give you a chance to say what's in your heart to say what is what is there that you wish to share that has not been said this evening you have to say that America is a great country in the universe it has the place of the ishudi chakra which is the center of responsibility and discretion and they have been so responsible so far they have given such Noble ideas of democracy and of freedom and all those things which are really all belonging to God's ideas and when they talk of all these things we must know
45:36that there is something much more that they can give to the whole world so many Saints are born in this country because they realize that this is the country where they will be able to prosper better into their spirituality so it is a very great responsibility of our miracles to understand that we have had great leaders we have had great Noble ideas we have got great Saints living here so many are anxious to come down here only thing what we have to do is to establish within ourselves our spirit and to be ready and prepared for this great tremendous work that is going to come now and this is what the world has
46:15to do if emancipation of the Humanity has to take place it has to take place only from inside out and not outside in another thing I would like to tell that the danger is not from outside for America not from anywhere else it is from within themselves so be careful we have to be careful about ourselves the way we are destroyed when we say what's wrong we go headlong into our destructions human beings should not take Freedom as abandonment but freedom to enjoy completely and fully Freedom that takes you to a destruction is not freedom and the right idea of freedom must be taken and people should know
46:58that freedom ultimate freedom is when you become your own Master when there are no habits when you cannot be dominated by it you are above everything that's the freedom you have to achieve and that is why people talk long time back in this country about Freedom they helped all the countries to get their freedom and now it is their job to get them their own Freedom within themselves so that other can also fall may God bless you all thank you
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