U.S. MILITARY TURNING ON TRUMP AFTER IRAN WAR FAILURE - w/ Alex Jones
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Summary
The discussion centers on the escalating geopolitical tensions in the Middle East, particularly concerning Iran, and the potential for wider conflict. It highlights concerns about the US's strategic position, the influence of the Israeli lobby, and the formation of new alliances among Middle Eastern countries as a response to perceived US and Israeli aggression. The conversation also touches upon the role of propaganda and foreign influence in shaping public opinion and political discourse.
Key points- The current geopolitical situation is characterized by complex alliances and potential conflicts involving Iran, Israel, the US, and other regional powers.
- Concerns are raised about the US military's depleted munitions and its strategic overextension, potentially leading to a "strategic defeat."
- New alliances are forming among Middle Eastern countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, driven by a distrust of US and Israeli policies.
- The influence of the Israeli lobby on US foreign policy and the passage of legislation like the NDAA are discussed as significant factors.
- There is a significant concern about the potential for a wider regional conflict, possibly involving nuclear weapons, due to escalating tensions and miscalculations.
- The conversation explores the role of foreign governments and special interests in influencing media and public opinion through propaganda and financial incentives.
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Notable quotes (4)
“And so it's a trap that basically Israel created and got us into, hoping that the closure of the straight gets so bad with the economy that finally Trump goes with this attack as big as World War II, which hints at nuclear weapons.”
“And so, the Pentagon is just being louder about what it said 5 days before this war started, 160 something days ago.”
“And so, just out of necessity, the Arab states are preparing for Armageddon and saying, 'We can't trust the US. It's run by Israel. We don't trust Iran.'”
“And so we are in a period like World War I, World War II, except with nuclear weapons, bioweapons, and 10 billion people.”
0:03How are you? >> I'm good, Mario. Sorry we on a little bit late. We had a glitch. >> All good, man. All good. Um, now with you, I don't like to ask for specific questions, Alex. I instead I'll ask the probably the the broadest question I can ask is uh what's worrying you the most at the moment, especially when it comes mainly about Iran and what's happening in the region because there's all the these different things. There's the alliance between Pakistan, Saudi, and U and and Turkey. You've got the Israeli saying they're not going to abide by what Trump wants with Gaza, and they're saying that they will they will strike
0:39Iran if Iran builds up its missile program, even if the Americans are not involved. Then you've got the US getting more and more involved in the region. You've got the Iranians pre being pretty demanding in what they want. They're like, "We want a 5 to 7% fee. We will control the shadow homes. will decide which ships go in and out even after the deal is done. Uh we want reparations, we want all sanctions lifted, everything unfrozen. And there's a report that came out today is that the Iranians, not a report, a statement by the advisor to Galibah, the speaker of the parliament, saying we're not even going to do a deal
1:12with Trump. We're just going to wait him out and do a deal with the next president. Um so out of all this, what's concerning you the most? Well, this has been the same story for 160 plus days of this war. Israel drug us into it. Israel bragged that they did it. They launched Midnight Hammer. Uh 14 months ago, they launched this new attack. Uh their own finance minister said two weeks ago that this is ideal to have the US fighting Iran for them. And so once Iran's been engaged and pushed into this, they're going to close the straight as they've done again. They're going to use that
1:45leverage. and they know that basically Trump doesn't doesn't hold the cards. And then Israel has said, "We're going to hit them as soon as we can. It doesn't matter what the United States does. We're going to whenever we want, we'll keep hitting Lebanon. We'll keep, you know, doing what we're doing in Gaza. We'll we'll we'll expand into Syria." Uh, and so once Trump committed to this, once Trump initiated this, he gave all the cards to Iran so that they can close the straight and then say that's his fault because he started it.
2:13And so if you really look at this, every week it's the same story over and over again. And then Trump says, "Don't worry, I've got a new deal." And then Iran says, "No, you don't have a deal. You need to agree to all this stuff you haven't agreed to." And so it's a it's a trap that basically Israel created and got us into, hoping that the closure of the straight gets so bad with the economy that finally Trump goes with this attack as big as World War II, which hints at nuclear weapons. We've not done anything like this since World War II. He talked about a glowing
2:43crater, one nation, one glowing crater, a culture never to return, you know, to die in one day. So, we're talking about nuclear weapons and the surrogates like Mark Levin and and the now deceased Lindsey Graham have said, "Let's use nuclear weapons like Harry Truman on Hiroshima and Nakasaki. We just passed the 80th anniversary of that uh last week." So, it's the same story and Trump just keeps calling it a renegotiation because he doesn't want to admit strategic defeat, but the Pentagon predicted a strategic defeat. Joe Kent warned Trump of a strategic defeat.
3:14Tulsi Gabbard warned him of of one. So Trump continues to act like there's a negotiation because he put us into a no-win situation. We can't win a ground war. Our munitions are more than half expended. It'll take years to replenish them. We don't even have munitions to protect the United States or fight China or Russia. Uh now Kiev can't even respond with interceptor missiles when Russia strikes back because they're out and the US isn't shipping them to them.
3:40And of course, two weeks ago, we had the head of the European Command tell Trump, "We have to choose between America and Israel because even forget all the other Gulf allies because we're out of missiles for our missile defense systems that are groundbased and on the missile cruisers, the destroyers that that protect us from Russian submarine, Chinese submarine attack or intercontinental ballistic missile attack." Uh, and so this is a true strategic defeat. We're we're in it and Trump knows on an exit ramp cuz Iran holds the card. So instead, he keeps us in this purgatory or this limbo of, OH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A DEAL. I was
4:17going to destroy them, worse than World War II, biggest attack since World War II. But now they came back to the table. And the Iranians go, yeah, it's the same agreement. $500 billion or its equivalent, uh, which is now this 7% or whatever, and you will pull your troops out of the Middle East. But effectively, it's already happened other than Israel and Jordan because the United States forces are open to Iranian attacks. So Trump had a great policy before of just maximum sanctions that was actually working. But now once he was induced into this war with Iran, which Israel thinks helps as a smoke screen for
4:54Greater Israel project, but at the end of the day, I think it hurts Israel as well. This is a true disaster. There was a report yesterday or a couple of days ago that General Dan Kaine was um telling Trump that an air operation alone just won't work. Um and and asking him to to just offramp to just walk away. Um now some people think that Trump will instead of looking at walking away, he's like, "Oh, air operation doesn't work.
5:19I'm going to go for a ground operation and have boots on the ground as the next solution to achieve my objectives." But that's not a question on whether you'll see troops on the ground in Iran. It's more so we're seeing all these leaks. We're seeing a lot of people people like Joe Kent and others just and Tulsi being out of the administration. Um MAGA based turning on Trump. But do you think people are around Trump in that closed circle? We hear rumors, you know, disagreement between JD Vance and Trump, someone standing in the way between Netanyahu meeting Trump, but within the military, do you think there
5:51is, and you speak to a lot of people there, um, I'm not going to ask, are they turning on Trump, but is there a certain, you know, an understanding within the military that how bad this war turned out and his decisions have really weakened the military preparedness of the United States? We saw actually there was a statement by the um Yukcom commander talking about how he won't send a warship to the region to Sandcom um because you know he wants to protect American bases in Europe and not protect Israel. That was just a few days ago. And I I was told that other commanders and different
6:24command centers were you know in a very similar position. They don't want to send their munitions and their missiles and their military assets to Sentcom. So um yeah not sure if you're seeing a trend like this or you're hearing about such a trend. Well, I mean, it's more than a trend. You you just mentioned the head of the European Command now almost a week and a half ago saying, "We have to choose between protecting North America, Konis, or Israel in the Middle East. We can't do it. We've depleted more than half the missiles. It takes on average four years to restore those." And so, the Pentagon is just being
6:55louder about what it said 5 days before this war started, 160 something days ago. They put out a report and leaked it saying the moolas aren't going to fall. They'll close it straight. It'll become a strategic disaster. And so, yes, Joe Kent never released anything classified, but he was when he was the head of the National Counterterrorism Center. He was just seeing the very same Pentagon reports that have been uh declassified versions have been leaked. And I I interviewed him Saturday night and he looked at me on the camera and he said, "Look, Alex, it's not that I'm some super genius. These are the Pentagon
7:30reports. As you know, you've seen the declassified versions. It was a known truth. It was a total consensus. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Kaine, told Trump 5 days before, "We are probably not going to get the regime change that you and Israel want," that's what it really was. Now, if you really want to just degrade their missiles or whatever, that's one thing. But they they they will target our allies and they will target our bases and they will target our ships. And then you saw Trump try to order the Navy to send in ships to open the straight in the last 100 plus days. And then they won't do it
8:04because they're sitting ducks not just of high-tech missiles and not just the Chinese anti-hship missiles they have, but also just conventional missiles, drones, and artillery. It's only 18 mi straight. It is it is a sitting duck there. Uh and so this was a known disaster. It's why no other president ever did this against Iran. Iran's 93 million people. It's surrounded by mountains like Mordor. Uh, and it's a it's probably 20 times harder to defeat than Iraq. Uh, just because the way it's it's it's it's set up. It's not a flat, you know, flat desert. And then the Tiger Euphrates Valley, a very low river valley. So the there's nothing there in
8:40Iraq. And that was a disaster. Afghanistan was a disaster. This is much much worse. And now Iran by targeting US bases around the region has sucked in all these other groups. And and notice now that Saudi Arabia and and Turkey are hearing their next up on the platter with Israel openly targeting Turkey with its rhetoric, they're now forming major alliances uh with Pakistan and others because of this understanding. And remember Pakistan is a nuclear power. And the thing, the intel I had over 15 years ago was Saudi Arabia quietly had a squadron of aircraft in Pakistan with hydrogen bombs ready to be put on them where they
9:20didn't technically have nukes, but in an emergency with their defense agreement, they would have nukes if they were attacked. Now, a couple months ago, they moved that squadron back to Saudi Arabia with uh 5 to 8,000 Pakistani troops who guard the warehouses that have the Pakistani nukes. But then once the defense agreement is triggered by Saudi Arabia being attacked, then Pakistan green lights the nukes going onto the planes that are now under the control of Saudi Arabia. So you just see more of a formalization of the more secretive agreements that have already been signed. So Israel's attempt at greater living space, Israel's attempt at a
9:55greater Israel is now backfiring spectacularly. And >> you've got Turkey as well as part of that alliance. and Turkeykey's now one could say Turkeyy's protected by both American nukes. They've got America's got nukes inside Turkey and Pakistani nukes because they've got a similar NATO 5 NATO article 5 like agreement between Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi. But that's pretty worrying considering the rhetoric by Turkey towards Israel and vice versa.
10:21>> Well, that's because even though Israel worked with Turkey to overthrow Assad two years ago, Israel start the truth. I'm not even anti-Israel. I'm anti-Israel's current leadership. Israel's leadership as you know over a year ago began saying next enemy Turkey and then now even Netanyahu said it on Fox News a month ago and Egypt I mean Egypt has sat there and put up with hell from Israel. So I Israel is already looking on past Lebanon uh past Syria to to Turkey and Egypt and then Saudi Arabia is not stupid. That means well if you're going after them you're going to go after us.
10:58though it's forcing those alliances right now. >> Yeah. Saudi um Saudi Egypt was apparently meant to join the defense agreement with Pakistan, Turkey and uh and Saudi, but they didn't because I don't know if you saw that report today. Apparently they baited them. So the Pakistanis and the Saudis gave false intelligence to Egypt. There it is here. uh they gave him false intelligence um or they call it intelligence bait and they gave it to Cece the president of Egypt to see if he's going to share it with the US and Cece shared it with the US. So um according to the report Saudi, Turkey and Pakistan no longer trusted
11:37Egypt and decided not to include them in the defense agreement but this is still a consideration and everyone I would >> and you just hit the key. I saw that. What does that tell you? That means Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan no longer trust the US because they're worried that Apac and Israel are really in full control of the United States and they see Israel getting wildeyed saying we dominate.
12:00We're the new superpower. We're taking over and they've been trying to partner with Israel and the Abraham Accords and other things. They're just like this is too much. So the distrust is as heavy, you know, as you cut you cut it with a knife in the air. And so that's where we are is a total escalation. >> That's a very good point. I'm just sending it to my team. I didn't think of it. Didn't click that. I like the idea that they're testing Egypt to see if they can trust Egypt, but they're testing Egypt with intelligence for the US, which indicates they don't want any
12:32country part of that pact to share things with the United States. Turkeyy's part of NATO. Saudi is an ally to the US >> because they because because the US already gives basically all the intel in the Middle East, Israel. Now, under the new NDAA bill that's passed the House, everything is given to them lifetime. Not like five eyes where it's counterterrorism intelligence. It's everything.
12:54>> Jesus. >> Um, that's part of the NDAA, the clause that has passed here. Passed the House. >> Section 219 passed the House. Yeah, it was section 224. They changed the bill. Netanyahu sent letters to the committee chairman thanking them for adding his language. He wrote, Benjamin Netanyahu says in a letter, no one's no one's disputed it, that he wrote section 219.
13:23>> How insane is that, Alex? >> Well, when you read the bill, it it says merge live time synchronization from research and development to battlefield to telemetry to weapons deployment. Um, and that Israel will co-own the weapon systems. So, I mean, I don't blame Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan watching the US get ready to mar I mean the US and Israel are up there with the preacher about to put rings on and and and so they're like okay well we're not going to share intel with anybody that shares intel with you because Israel is literally licking its lips saying next up are these other countries
14:08>> Jesus. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I didn't connect those dots. That is the the the defense agreement between those countries which is already they're doing this as a way to fill the hole that is left by the US because the US will have to pull out of the region and the US has shown its um I wouldn't say inability to defend but uh definitely not be able to meet the expectations of um of what those countries are looking for but also cannot be trusted to drag all these countries into into this war. So these countries are looking for an alternative to the US mainly because the US will
14:37have to slowly reduce its presence in the region after losing this war. >> And to their credit, they're not going to China and Russia to be their sugar daddy. They're trying to work together. >> Yeah. Yeah. Not going. >> But that shows the disaster of the Israel Greater Israel project is that you know you you again you've got their finance minister two weeks ago saying this is ideal. We have the US fighting our enemy for us and destabilizing the whole region and our enemies and people are like you're destabilize all your enemies you mean like Iran they said all our enemies. So Israel the leader
15:09current leadership sees any prosperity and any stable successful society around them as a threat. So by extension then anybody that's successful goes oh I'm an enemy. >> There's a report that came out today as well. Um, so there it is and this is something this is a good question for you. Um, it came out from Khan News, Israeli media.
15:31It says, "Officials from one Middle Eastern country advised the counterparts, so other countries in the region in another region, okay, sorry, I'll restart. Officials from one Middle Eastern country advised counterparts in another regional state. So, one country in the Middle East told another country in the Middle East to show tactical flexibility towards Israel and reach an agreement intended to lull Israel into sleep while preparing for a larger future conflict. The proposed strategy involved reaching an agreement with Israel to lower its guard while simultaneously preparing for war before breaking the agreement once preparations are complete. Israeli military sens censorship prohibits identifying one of these either of these two countries
16:14involved. So what this report is saying by Khan News is now there's a country in the Middle East telling another country like hey do an agreement with Israel lull them make them feel secure make them feel safe put down their guard prepare for war and then break the agreement and attack Israel >> yeah that sounds like Pakistan >> first do you think this report is true or do you think this is planted by by the Israeli policy makers to >> No I was about to say if you're to believe it it would be Pakistan who's got the nukes but let me tell you Saudi Arabia Jordan e even Turkey has
16:44anti-Israel rhetoric just for the voters, but they've done everything Israel wants. They've done everything Trump wants. I mean, Turkey does whatever we want since World War II. I'm not defending Erdogon or saying he's perfect, but I mean, come on. Those folks want business. They want to be successful. I mean, Saudi Arabia wants golf courses and movie production, and they want to move on. And that's why they do the Abraham Accords. They they've really been trying to to to work with Israel. And now because they see this behavior of Israel and if you watch Israeli TV, the Knesset members are all over it just literally saying, "We're
17:22taking over. We run America. We're going to take over the whole Middle East. Everything's ours." You have the US ambassador, who's really the Israeli ambassador uh >> Mike Huckabe, >> Mike Huckabe saying, "Of course, Israel gets it all." So they're watching the US ambassador say, "Yeah, Israel gets the entire basically the entire Middle East." And people are watching that going, I mean, they take that serious.
17:45And then they look at Ben Gavir running around psychotically saying, "We're taking over and we're going to take all of Lebanon and we're going to take Syria and no one can stop us." And people look at that and they go, "Well, we better get together then because if Israel's successful fully taking control of our military, then we've got a problem." And again, it doesn't sound rational to a rational person, but Israel's done the calculations and thinks it's going to be able to bring down the whole Middle East.
18:14>> How do you think this will end up for the region? >> Are you more optimistic? You think they'll find an agreement? Israel will when it loses American support will change its foreign policy and things will improve or are they heading down a much more dangerous path? >> Well, obviously the smart money is things are escalating any worse. Does that mean they couldn't turn around? I hope they do. They could. There's still some sanity hopefully in the universe.
18:38But when you have Iran, who I'm not a fan of the Shiite moolas and and the 12 emo and all that, but they didn't start this. And when you have Israel saying kill their leaders and they'll give up, anybody can tell you that'll make them fight harder. Israel admits they wanted a long war. They wanted a quagmire. And so all the only cards Iran has is a straight over moose and not giving up, which is is the cards. It's not just the only cards. it is the cards by attrition getting a strategic defeat of the United States. Uh, and so the regent sees that and they see that Iran
19:13is not going to back down and so they can think ahead and go, "Oh, wow. The US will probably at some point break. It's probably not going to give up. Can't because the Iranians have closed the straight. Is going to hit them even harder. And then that's going to turn the whole world against Israel and the US even more." And so just out of necessity, the Arab states are preparing for Armageddon and saying, "We can't trust the US. It's run by Israel. We don't trust Iran." But at the same time, we trust Pakistan and Turkey because they know they're being targeted. And so the big money Saudi Arabia is saying,
19:45"Okay, let's let's have an alliance of survival." and and the Saudis already foresaw this when they again the articles 15 years ago were are seeking nukes from Pakistan and oh the word is they've got an arsenal at a base at a warehouse and if if it ever gets triggered under the defense pack they move back the squadron piloted by their people and then a few months ago you saw the thousands of Pakistani troops coming back to guard the warehouses and the planes they're not guarding a dozen planes because they're just aircraft they're they have the nuke like in a football handoff off ready to hand it
20:20off in the defense agreement. The Saudis have paid massive amounts of money for this. And the fact that it's gone from being prepared to being green lit and the safety is being taken off here shows you now you got a formal alliance shows you that uh the Arabs have a backs stop if the United States turns against them because now they don't fully trust the United States. Uh which I think is wise because of how powerful the Israel lobby is. and and and so it's kind of a Mexican standoff basically where everybody's pointing guns at each other.
20:53>> Do you worry that we could see uh because a lot of statements from Israel right now about that Mecca agreement between those three countries that could expand to more countries including Egypt. Um lot of statements by Israel seeing it as a threat. The Iranians have welcomed it. Initially the Iranians were a bit worried based on one statements but they said hey this is a great idea.
21:11Um you know Islamic countries should all come together. Let me get you the exact statement. So the um >> well Iran knows that's going to antagonize Israel but but absolutely this is Israel's own >> doing part of it. Iran could join it as well but >> Israel sorry go ahead. >> No go ahead man. >> Well obviously the Arab countries and others aren't going to sit around while Israel picks them off one at a time anymore.
21:33And and and so the plan exposed by Wesley Clark 15 years ago is now out in the open. So I mean that's what I'm saying. Israel can't say, "Okay, the Greater Israel Project's real and okay, we're unstoppable." And then not expect people to get ready for it. Is there um do you think building that alliance would become a deterrent for Israeli aggression because they're worried now to attack one country that'll drag all of them into war? Or are we seeing uh kind of the building blocks for another regional conflict involving this time Israel and the rest of the region?
22:07It could go both ways, but the people running Israel want to get the Arabs if they could even on board in taking out Iran while they all basically get weakened and then and then and then Israel later can use that destabilization or maybe even a false flag attack on the Alaska mosque that some of their leaders have talked about to then blame Iran or or you know, they're just going to keep looking for chaos to exacerbate the chaos. That's what's scary. They don't even really have a plan other than chaos they can outthink the Arabs and then you know you know somehow be able to basically
22:40overthrow countries peace meal on their way but instead I just see it unifying unifying them basically against the US and Israel in the end that's why we have the crown prince of Saudi Arabia telling Trump for months in this war and so it's hard to predict what's going to happen but in general Israel's bit off more than it can chew the US is discrediting the region can't protect people. Uh, and I I I don't I don't think I know Israel and its lobby miscalculated and has bit off way more than it can chew. And that's really the story of the Zionist is they'll get in a good position,
23:16they'll be in charge and they keep doubling down, doubling down. So, the boldness early on in the midterm gets them victory and then they go too far and and and it doesn't mean I know what's going to happen, but it's extremely dangerous for everybody. Like, I don't want to blow up Israel. I mean, my god, they got nuclear weapons. As as they get in a worse and worse position down the road this year, next year, the year after that, and as they keep doubling down, messing with their neighbors, triggering military attacks, staging false flags to drag us into a larger war, that just ups the stakes
23:47here. And as more people get wise to how this game works, uh, I don't see the future of Israel being in a very good position with the behavior of their leaders. The greatest enemies of Israel are in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. It's the Lakudix. It's Ben Gavir. Uh it's Smotri, their finance minister. It's it's it's Netanyahu. I mean, these are literally megalomaniacs that did have the upper hand. And in their worldview, if I've got the upper hand, why shouldn't I just try to take over?
24:19Well, that's like Hitler in 41 saying, "I have the biggest military. I should just take over." Well, maybe you do now, but not once you start the fight. people are going to get in a fighting position. New alliances are going to form and then you're going to run into unseen problems. And so I would say both the EU is going the same way as Napoleon and Hitler attacking Russia. Israel's behaving in a Napoleonic behavior trying to, you know, get delusional and we can totally take over. And the more opposition they get, don't worry, we've got the American superpower behind us, well that superpower is out of bullets
24:49and there's major Pentagon opposition because they can think down the road that this is an insane gamble. I was talking to Joe Kent. like he talks to a lot of the top war planners. He said, "Well, obviously it's classified, Alex, but you're smart. You see the same stuff they see. This is an extremely dangerous gamble with a probability of loss for everybody. So only a crazy person gamles. Plus, who wants I mean, why not have an alliance with Saudi Arabia and Turkey and these countries? Why not work with them? Like like why do we need if we can beat them? Why don't we try?" It's it's again IT'S MEGALOMANIA LIKE
25:23WELL I'm not a real man if I don't launch a war and try to dominate them because YOU KNOW IF THEY HAD the upper hand and were us and all this power they'd try it too. Well guess what they don't have that power and and the only way you destroy our power is misusing it which we're doing.
25:40>> Yeah. And China is just watching all this and building their economy building their military having the last laugh. >> You just nailed it. China is the winner in this. Yeah, it's insane. Every time I have a guest telling me comparing the ship building capacity, uh the energy infrastructure that both countries are building between the US and China, economy, literacy rates, etc., it looks really bad. It looks really really bad and concerning and it's sad.
26:09It it is. And and look look at Israel's demographics. Do you know they have even worse test scores than the average US city? You would think like Israel's these super geniuses. They've been really smart. Did you know they've even got higher dropouts and illiteracy and the same stuff the West has of being spoiled rotten and and so yeah, we've been the dominant empire. We've been the kings. We've been on top. And what happens when you're like that? You you become decanite. Like the Romans literally had hundreds of thousands of Germans and Visigoths that had already invaded the north and burned and destroyed everything. And they didn't
26:43even raise an army. They said, "Oh, they won't dare come to Rome in 410." And you know what happened? And you know it's the same story. So the West has this feeling of invincibility and as the actual war planners go no Iran holds the cards and we run out of missiles and what's Trump do? Secretary of the Navy removed him. Head of the army removed him. He lacks Kane so he hasn't removed him but he's definitely chewed him out according to my sources when they tell him. I mean Trump's come to them and said invade the straight. We can't do it. We'll invade Kirk Island at least.
27:15and they go, "Well, they'll attack our forces once they're there. That's just upon sacrifice." And they explain to Trump, second, third, fourth order magnitude. He doesn't want to hear it. At least he's been restrained enough not to go with it. But it's only because he's been convinced by the majority of the war planners that 15,000 Marines and Army Airborne cannot take the Straight Hormos. That is insane. And and but that's the type of stuff he's been talking about. For those that don't know, it took us 110,000 Marines and sailors to take just one of dozens of islands, Ewaima, 23,000 defending Japanese. We lost 24,000 Marines and it
27:52took a month to take it. Well, the Japanese had tanks that had like half inch thick steel on them. Okay? I mean, that were like glorified four-wheelers. Uh, and and and they were tough, but they had bolt-action rifles and a few machine guns. Okay? the Iranians weapons compared to that. And once you get on the ground, all the high-tech stuff doesn't matter as much anymore.
28:13>> Once you're up against that, this is a whole another ball game. So, the Pentagon estimate 200,000 troops with heavy air support, >> um, hundreds of helicopters, hundreds of aircraft, and we're still talking about tens of thousands of dead to take the straight hormone conservatively. I mean, it is designed to be a killing field. Yeah. And add drone warfare as well.
28:39Look what the Russians are doing. They're sending three men at a time just because of drones. You can't send, you know, big uh um big teams of soldiers into the battlefield like you did in World War II back against Japan. So, a ground operation would just be suicidal right now. It just uh that's why be I'd be very surprised if it's being talked about seriously. But I had a I had a separate question to you. I was just thinking as you're speaking looking at this war and how things are. You're talking about NDAA and and the merging of the two militaries. You're talking about what's happening in the Middle
29:09East. Um but you've been doing this for decades, you know, 10 times longer than I have, more 15 times more longer than I have. >> Um how would you compare the the situation now to what it was in your early days? >> Well, let me just not kiss your ass. US as a whole, the US empire. Go ahead.
29:28>> Let me not kiss your ass. Just kiss your ass. you deserve it. I I've been watching you like 3 years or something. Your growth curve of understanding's already surpassed me in many ways. Your how prolific you are, how good it all is. So, please don't come to me like I'm I mean I I had a slower growth curve 32 years on air. So, Mario, we just nothing but kudos for the insane work you do.
29:46You're one of the top I'd say five journalists in the world right now when it comes to how accurate you are and and how prolific. So, congratulations. Uh but if you ask me from my decades of experience where this is going, >> where this is going, more importantly the the situation right now like you look at the NDAA, you look at the Iran war, the strategic defeat that the US has gone through, the perception of the US empire, the US military, the fact that the ship building capacity, the fact that we can't the US can't even repair submarines in time, struggling on every front. you can't it can't build
30:17the ice breakers that it needs for the Arctic and it's delegating that to outsourcing that to Canada and I think Denmark you know putting all these things together it just and the talk about the the end of the US empire um if you put that into context look at it um over the last few you know last 30 years it just seems really bad I want to see your thoughts putting it in putting it in that context if it is that bad and how concerned you are >> well I don't pull on my 32 two years on air. I pull on studying history thousands of years. And I think you
30:49already answered the question. When empires start to overextend and start to die, they almost always die in a death rattle and and and and a a a lashing out trying to overextend themselves and prove themselves. And we're doing exactly that right now. So militarily, intellectually, uh, spiritually at a gut level, also talking to all the experts have the very best accuracy records of predicting, we are in a total disaster.
31:18The EU is even more collapsed than the United States Empire. It's its own old empire. You got the British Empire that kind of folded in after World War II into the US Empire, and all of it is in disarray. The demographics are horrible. The the debt is insane. Um, I I if we would have soft power, sat back and innovated with technology, played nice with people, and gone the economic route, we could have parlayed that into a dominant seat at the table in the future. Um, but it would be a multipolar world. Instead, we said, "No, it's it's it's it's monopolar, and we're going to take on the Russians
31:56and take on the Chinese and take on the Middle East and and and just delusions of grandeur." Uh, and so now as that fails, you have the war planners saying, "Back off. Stop. It's not working." You got the Israel APEC lobby saying, "Full metal, balls of the walls." And so the Persians are like, "Fine, we have no choice." They understand it's a death battle.
32:16They're balls of the walls. And it is it is the immovable object running into the unstoppable force. It is going to be explosive. So it's we're at the end of the of the fourth turning. These are known cycles, not just myself, but top futurist, top sociologist. And so we are in a period like World War I, World War II, except with nuclear weapons, boweapons, and 10 billion people. So to to overstate the danger level is basically impossible. And our biggest problem is we have too many people like at Black Rockck and academics and people that don't know this. Our our military and you know in
32:55in past few hundred years it was using the military that was over optimistic and would trick us into wars. But then after World War II the military got even wiser with nukes and said they became a lot of the restraint. I mean, I remember Obama wanted to go to war with Russia when they were in uh Syria, and they had the chairman of the joint chiefs get up and say, "You understand, as soon as we hit these Russian sites, they're going to hit us back. That's that's World War II." And and they were smart and didn't do it. But now we're like, "Oh, let's use Ukraine as the surrogate, and we'll
33:24bomb them with that." As if the Russians won't finally say, "Now we're going to hit NATO targets," which they're announcing they're about to do. So, we've already escalated past the Russians and others. Uh, and it's because you've got politicians and lawyers who are being told by the Pentagon, don't do this, who are telling the general, sit down and shut up. We know what we're doing. And so, I use this analogy a lot on my show because it's a great film because it's based I saw a documentary on the hundreds of hours of recordings of the Deep Water Horizon with BP, whatever it was 15, 18
33:58years ago, whatever it was. And you had non-engineers at BP send orders to the deepest well ever driven drill that they thought was going to hit the biggest deposits ever. And the engineers said, "If we hit deposits anywhere near what you think, if you don't put the 30, 40, $50 million a day of concrete into the hole on top of it with the pressure, it will blow up and be the biggest oil spill in the world and kill everybody on the rig. It'll explode. It's gas, too, and it's going to ignite." And there's famous recordings and they they do it word for word in the film with Kurt Russell. Um
34:32because I saw the documentary later from the actual trial with the audio tapes and they said, "We're a $48 billion company. We're about to be 50 billion next week if we don't put this concrete in. We're ordering you to not dump the concrete in the hole." And they follow the orders and it blew up a few hours later. So what's happening is you had BP executives that weren't engineers telling engineers to do things that they knew weren't going to work. They still follow the order. And the question is, will the Pentagon follow orders that they know will blow everything up? I mean, Joe Kitten people didn't just
35:01resign for no reason. He was encouraged by hireers up in the Pentagon because he was willing to take one from the team, his former superiors, to to to take that dive as a prominent, you know, high level official. And and and and and so that's what this is all about is we need more people like Joe Kent, who's a hero, to come out and say, "This is insane.
35:20Stop it." And so I it's a direct parallel to the Deep Water Horizon, except this won't be an oil spill and a bunch of crew workers getting killed. This This will be nuclear war. >> War. That's the movie with Mark Wahberg. >> Yes. >> That's a good movie. I didn't know it's based on true events. I didn't know this.
35:38>> 100%. No, it's based on the because they have the transcripts, the emails, and the the audio tapes. >> Yeah, cuz the BP executives recorded all the phone conversations. So, the only difference is they have them in conference rooms arguing on on the on the rig. No, it was in the conference rooms on the phone. It's word for word from the thing where they're like, "This is going to blow up." They go, "No, it's not. Executives have ordered it." >> Um, you said you you said unless more people do what Joe Kent is doing. We saw that photo that went um that went viral that Marjgerie Taylor
36:14Green posted. It was her I think her husband Joe Kent, his wife, Tucker, and Massie and his wife on the table having dinner. Um, and Tucker obviously starting a new movement. How significant is this? and couldn't make a difference. >> Yeah. I I I never met him in person. He'd been on our shows before, but I I in Dallas for this debate that uh Brandon Strox put on that airs like a week. I was on the panel of America first versus the MAGA Neocon panel. And so it was like a 4-hour debate. So I got to hear all his angles. I also talked to him privately and interviewed him. I
36:49just shared that today. It's a real live show on X. You're welcome to play any of it if you want. >> Who's that? Who's that? Who's that with? >> Uh that's Joe K. Joe Kent on. Oh yeah. Nice. >> And and and and and he basically to to answer your earlier question. He just pointed out that he said, "Listen, it's the consensus. It was all the military leadership. It was in the report. Don't do it." He just felt like maybe cuz Trump liked him and knew him, if he went public to get Trump to offramp this two weeks in, uh that he would do it. And then he went further. I
37:21said during the panel, but also later I talked to him. I said, "Well, I saw you meet with Massie and and MTG and a bunch of other people at at Tucker's Hunting Lodge/ Studio in Maine." I said, "Let me guess. Is this can we inject enough issues in to save the Republican party and get them to course correct because they're concerned about a third party or is this you guys if you have to will do a third party if they become a total nuclear war party?" He said, "No, that's exactly it." He and he elaborated. I don't want to give away the whole thing, but but times of the essence, he said,
37:57um, you know, in in in the panel debate, he said, "We're trying to inject real issues in the Republican party. We're trying to get them to course correct. And then if that doesn't, we're going to try to find candidates that are already in office and people in government, you know, to resign and speak out or whistleblowers, but also people just to run so that we can make this a major spoiler alert for the Republicans that the majority of your voters don't want giant unending new world wars. And so whether it works or not, this is the best shot we've got as a responsibility to say no to this. and and and so that's
38:32what they're doing and that was a great question. So they're they're they're not trying to get into power. They're not trying to take over the Republican party. They're not trying to launch a new third party for the Democrats. They are sitting back saying we have the credibility. Uh the Democrats act like they're anti-war, but they don't really lift a finger to do it. We have a responsibility to try to stop this. So they're open to answer your question simply should have just gone to that is it's to influence the Republican party to get a debate going and to try to find out who in the Republican party at the
39:05state and federal level agrees with America first and doesn't want an expanded bankrupting war bare minimum probably a nuclear war or then if they have to they they believe the American people would even though third parties haven't worked before that things are so dire the revolutionary spirit is so great uh that We could take that and not have it be a violent revolution, but put it into a third party movement using the libertarians that are already on the ballot uh as a vehicle. Libertarians, you know, are milk toast, always weak candidates. The platform overall is good. There's a belief that at least you've got to make a shot at it. Uh if
39:40we're dealing with, you know, total megalomania out of the Republicans. >> Um that reminds me. So when I posted that image, um I'm going to ask you a question on Laura Loomer and and I remembered Laura Loomer and the whole Ukraine Zilinsky thing cuz so when I posted that image, she quoted me attack obviously she she would have been attacking them through me and um and I just started thinking like and I asked Joe about it a few days ago as well. Um cuz she attacks him all the time. um about you know the whole Laura Loomer side because Laura I was with Joe Kent
40:14when I saw Laura Loomer's post about you know quoting me attacking me and the image and I asked Joe like you know I asked him about the Zalinski thing the the flip by Laura you know from from completely anti Ukraine and Zilinski suddenly being their biggest fan and as the question like do you think a lot of these um influencers are being paid by foreign governments um and probably you're a perfect person to ask that question because you've been in the game for a long time you've seen a Does it happen that often? Because I know sometimes it's also weaponized like whenever you don't like someone, oh,
40:45he's being funded by this or Tucker's being funded by Qatar. Just make up. But in other cases, it just looks very bizarre. Laura Lum, I was speaking to Max Blumthal about it a couple of days ago. He was telling me how she also went to the factory of a multi-billionaire who funded the whole trip or something along those lines. Um, are we seeing and it's mainly obviously by by Israel is doing a really good job a good job at it, but other countries as well. I'm sure Gulf countries, I'm sure Ukraine, I'm sure Russia, China, all trying to interfere in US politics and gain the support of the people, you
41:15know, that have a a big voice and a big following. Is it we is it a problem? Are these are we seeing American voices being funded by foreign entities? >> Well, I mean, I really am a leading expert on this just because I've been around 32 years and I could I could teach a college course on it, so it's hard to answer it succinctly, but let me explain it this way. I knew it. Here's a good question for you.
41:34>> There was some foreign governments and involvement and and and and propaganda, but but mainly the NOS's and and not just Democrat NOS's that they were the main ones, leftist NGOs's trying to get people on the payroll. They try to get me on the payroll many times over the last few decades. That the left was the kings of of of owning grassroots as they would say it. Whether it was protesters, activists, law firms, ACLU used to be pretty good. It got taken over in the last decade by Soros money. So the left used to own the covert money. I mean, compared to the Republicans, they didn't even, you know,
42:08hold a candle to it. But then when Trump got reelected via Joe Rogan and all the other podcasts and when the system finally figured out, oh, podcast and the internet and, you know, Elon Musk with a billion listeners, we had Trump on that is not just bigger. Old media is is is dead other than literally people in nursing homes. Now, since Trump won two years ago, there is just a flood of money. And everybody I know, a lot of them off record, they're getting offers from just, you name it, big corporations, uh, foreign governments, you name it. I mean, here's the best way to describe it. Israel admits in the
42:48last 18 months, this is mainstream news. Look it up, folks. $1.3 billion dollars, and this number is a few months old, of direct Knesset money for influencers that are quote pro-Israel, pro-Zionist, and pro-Iran war. And then you have uh Trump's head of all social media, one of his speech writers a few months ago goes on Tucker and says, "I was offered $22 million a year at the White House, don't tell Trump to put out pro-Israel propaganda." That's direct espionage. I mean, that's here's $22 million. Be pro-Israel, by the way. Keep quiet. you know, the former campaign head, Parckell, you know, he is an open registered guy of Israel and and he gets
43:26tens of millions and is financing the stuff. So, most of the time though, when one of these influencers is pro-Israel and and they're they're they're one of the biggest footprints. There's others. They're very naked about it. They will give money to say an oil company or a PR firm and then they come and pay you. And then you're given, Israel admits this, you're given like the emails, the text messages, Trump's u head of all social media and the guy that went public and they're trying to fire right now. He said you're going to be sent seven or eight nine post and also once a day a
43:58video you're with with how what you're supposed to say. You're supposed to get it out this way and they were going to pay them millions of dollars a month. And I'm not just singing about Israel. They've just been very naked. You remember last year Netanyahu said we got an eightfront war. Eight fronts opened up domestically. Uh but yeah, you've got all these other countries that are pumping money in, but they're mainly like Qatar is like to universities or, you know, to oh, here's a plane to Trump. Uh with Israel, it's right down to the ground. And then with somebody like Laura Loomer, uh I've been told by
44:27multiple well-known reporters that she tried to recruit this year uh to come on board with her as kind of their manager and that the pay master was was going to be Chevron. Uh, and and so however that works about demonizing Chevron or her, I mean, she'll take a 100 bucks to eat dog food on TV. So, I don't I don't even think she's an Israeli operative. I think Laura Loomer is more like a vending machine. Like, you've got a bunch of selections. You just put your money in and then hit the button you want. Uh, and that's what you get. Uh, but no, I mean, here's the thing.
44:58They've been smart enough. The only money I ever got offered was like 10, 15 years ago, off and on. It would be read these liners on air and run this ad. Nature Conservancy, this Sierra Club, 300,000 a month. And it wasn't like join us. It was just put our propaganda out, stop attacking our agenda 21. I was really fighting them then. Like I was on them exposing them, taking private property, you know, and it it wasn't like they called me with lawyers or hey, pay you off. It's like, HERE'S THE AD.
45:26WE WANT YOU to run. We want you to read this on air. And of course, I didn't respond. And then the only money I ever took, I didn't even really pay attention to because quite frankly, when I was making, you know, $200,000 a month on YouTube before I got banned, that was a small part of our revenue. So, I would just whatever ads YouTube approved, we had the thing clicked, just accept them, wasn't even thinking of that. The Air Force spent like 20 grand right before I got banned. For whatever reason, uh, the Air Force spent articles. What's the Air Force doing giving Jones money? So, the
45:55only government money I've ever knowingly took from the from uh is from Uncle Sam. And I and then there wasn't stringers attached. It was like join the Air Force, you know, Air Force. But but see, they spent so much money. I just had a big channel. The way I looked at it after I found out about it for the fact cuz I took the first payment, didn't know. And then I was like, I think I took one more before they pulled it cuz then I got banned. I was like, well, okay, they're running ads. Join the Air Force. You want to join the Air Force? I'm not against that. So, I would
46:21take money if I if I don't disagree with the message, but I'd be like a NASCAR driver. I'd wear it on my sleeve, you know, like I'm funded by this, this, and that. And this is why I stand for that. So without even trying to get money, I've been paid by Uncle Sam, but I've refused the Sierra Club, the Nature Conservancy, and all those groups. They made a real effort when I was putting films out on them and exposing them.
46:42Like I I walk in the sales guys go, "Hey, uh, we got emails from Nature Conservancy here. They want you to do live liners, interview guests, run these ads." I was just like, "Don't even respond back." Because obviously I knew what that was. Uh, but I've never had the Israelis or the Iranians or anybody try to hire me. I've had like the Russians say, "Hey, if you're ever coming to Moscow, Lavough wants to have dinner." Um, and I've had, you know, stuff like that, but that's about it.
47:12So, all I can do is attest to what I know. >> Did you Did you have that dinner with Lavrov? >> No. I said, "Thank you for the invite and u thank you for that." And I said, I I just the optics of it, I said, I'd love to see Russia. You know, I've been invited I've been invited by um Christian groups 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Come on and junk it to Israel all paid. And just because they were even then I knew what it was, Christian Zionist groups, I was like, I'm not going to do that. So I guess the more I
47:42think about I think in many other cases and I want to see Israel and I want to see Russia, but at the same time the optics of it is they're going to say I'm on their payroll, so I haven't done it. Yeah. Who um as a final question, don't know if you want to name names, but I'm genuinely curious about this. Who because who who do you think is being paid? I would put the only one I would if I had to guess, I'd say Laura Luma by Ukraine. I'm sure Israel is paying a few influences.
48:10I don't know. The Qataris seem to be funding it through universities. That's what one of my guests told me. That's how they try to gain influence. >> Well, you can look where they get it. You It's directly universities. Um, and then the UAE is trying to position Islam as not radical. So, it spends a ton of money trying to get radical Muslims deported.
48:29I'm sure you know that, right? Uh, so, so, so, so, so it's not like all these Muslim countries act in concerts. My point. >> Interesting. You're saying the UAE is funding to get people Islam people that support, you know, groups that are aligned with with extreme Islam to be deported from the US or from the UA. >> The UAE is like heavily involved in all these groups that spotlight uh of Islamic groups it doesn't like.
48:57Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, the UAE is like heavily running around policing and it's in a big propaganda war. In fact, a lot of the Qatar money, I think Qatar is up to like 40 billion in propaganda spending a year now. Most of that's because they're trying to match the UAE. So, you got the UAEQar in a big propaganda battle over the West. So, they got Qatari politicians and leaders like I'm sure you see the clips like, "DON'T SHIP MUSLIMS IN. THEY'RE SHIPPING THE RADICAL ONES. They're discrediting us. Kick them out. Deport them now. What are you doing?" Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, the UAE is like all over that. They're they're
49:32they're But but but here's the thing. Yeah. tar funding the radical Islamists in Sudan. Let me tell you, Israel is paying a lot of influencers. I mean, 1.3 billion. And I know because not just the 1.3 billion, Israel admitting it. U you you've got Netanyahu meeting in all these meetings with the Christian Zionists and other people and then meeting secretly with a whole bunch of conservative influencers. Then it's Chattam House rules. They're not supposed to, you know, talk about it.
50:04And so how this works is kind of like Benny Johnson and others who who I don't think's on the you know Russian payroll. What happens is you get a big ad buy that's an ad sharing deal or or or oh we're going to grab your videos and put them on an ad share but then you're you're supposed to take our ad share and put it on your feeds and then you sign on to that and then you learn the Russians they're 30% owners of the company. So so so much of it you don't ever even know you're being funded. In fact, I have no doubt that, you know, at
50:33some point, who knows who's funding me? I I have no idea. Just because >> you know, but you know, if they're trying to influence what you say, if they don't want you to say something or they they want you to say something specific, that's where you should should get something. >> YEAH. EXACTLY. I MEAN, you'll never get I'll never take money to say something.
50:46But, but I think a lot of the time is you get money because somebody likes what you're already saying. And then a lot of these influencers know how to parrot what the people being paid off are doing because then suddenly they get paid off. But I mean I can tell you right now when I because I scan stuff like you do, not as good as you don't know how you stay on top of it. It's just crazy. I will see the same particularly with Israeli propaganda. I will see the same thing put out by hundreds of accounts instantly the same time. And when you and I've been through
51:15propaganda myself, targeted that was by the CIA and the DOJ has been declassified with the stuff they did to me after the censorship and the buildup kind of set the precedent to ban people. I was like a beta test and and and you would see hundreds of articles sometimes a day published the same second. That's cuz they're given money. They're told to embargo. They all say fine, we'll publish it, but we want it to be at the same time so that so that other people don't get an advance. So you learn these little glitches in the matrix uh to see where it is. Uh, but abs I mean here's
51:44Candace Owens and I've got issues with Candace Owens, you know, and some of the things she's said and done. I don't censor her. I disagree sometimes, but overall I think she's a good person. I think she's been on to some really accurate stuff. But when you saw, what was it 6 months ago? Thousands of posts the same hour, Candace Owens is a demon.
52:02And then it leaked out that influencers were given money to say Candace Owens is a demon. Uh, and so yeah, when you see a unified story, remember the old Fizer videos where it would show one guy saying it's safe and effective. It would cut to two, three, four, then 100, and then and then it would cut to the next clip and it was all a script. So basically, you got the UN, you got corporations, you got Black Rockck, you've got all these special interests, you've got the universities, you've got the teachers unions, you've got all of it. But with Israel, they're laser focused with Apac. We want censorship,
52:35people that criticize us, and we want total war, and we want unlimited funding, and we want access to your defense department, and we want section 219 of the Defense Authorization Act passed. So, the reason Israel is so successful is the left and other groups kind of fire in all directions and, you know, get control of the State Department and fund billions for transgenderism. And it it's a large broken coalition. But when you get to Israel, it is laser focused. And that's why they're so successful.
53:08>> Always a pleasure, man. Really, thank you for your time, Alex. >> Thank you, Mario. I'm a big fan of everything you do and I'm very honored to be here anytime you want me. And God bless. People can find the censored stuff at real Alex Jones onx and our new news site, Alex Jonesive.com. They shut down Infowars. They never got the site, but I got to tell you, they're in trouble in court. You haven't seen it in the news. Very soon, you're going to see some very surprising stuff uh going on.
53:32Uh and and and you and who knows what you might see. It's going to really surprise people even more of the twists and turns they've seen in the past. So Mario, thank you for putting up with you're not someone I wouldn't want to mess with you. I swear you don't stop fighting. You never stop freaking fighting. You never get tired. It's insane, man. Watching you over the decades. It's insane.
53:52>> Well, I want some of your energy. People ask me, >> man, I've only been doing three Hold on. Three years. You've been doing this for decades. Let's not compare. I'll take the compliments, but let's let's not compare. Thanks a lot. >> The compliments were their due, Mario. Nobody's as prolific as you. And you're doing a great job.
54:08>> All right, man. Thank you. Thank you, bro. Bye. All right, guys. Brandon will be joining will be hosting the next show in a couple of minutes, and then I'll be live in 45 minutes with Larry Johnson. Bye-bye.
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