ABOUT THE GACHA GRAIL COMMUNITY..
Summary
This video discusses the controversial online community known as Gacha Grail, which is accused of harassing artists, spreading misinformation, and engaging in problematic behavior within various gaming communities, particularly related to "Withering Waves." The video explores accusations of doxing, AI art manipulation, and the group's anti-LGBTQ+ stance, while also questioning the extent of the alleged harassment and the proof behind the claims.
Key points- The Gacha Grail community is accused of harassing artists, including an artist named Rudang, and engaging in problematic behavior within gaming communities.
- Accusations against Gacha Grail include doxing, using AI to alter fan art and official art, and spreading misinformation.
- The group is described as having an anti-LGBTQ+ stance and targeting content that doesn't align with their preferences.
- The video questions the severity and proof of the harassment claims, suggesting that some actions might not constitute harassment and that blocking is a viable solution.
- Gacha Grail is accused of creating fake screenshots and using forged evidence to support their claims, while also issuing false DMCA requests.
- The group's actions are seen by some as an attempt to gatekeep communities and push a specific agenda, particularly concerning the inclusion of male characters in fan art.
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“Now obviously harassment is bad, but I don't think there's proof that it was coming from anyone in particular, right?”
“this is not okay and many of us in the community have just like kind of ignored it like live and let live let people enjoy what they want to enjoy maybe if we if we ignore it then it'll eventually go away stuff like that but no it just really doesn't seem like that that's happening whatsoever”
“but it's actually going into illegal if not even like outright criminal territory as well.”
“and they sent all sorts of harassment in there and actually outright doxed this user here like full personal information, everything.”
0:00So, there's this group called Gacha Grail, right? I've always heard about them, right? Apparently, they uh a lot of people don't like don't really like them. I have no idea what they do, who they are, right? But it's like a Twitter X community. So, uh somebody asked me to check this out, the Parasites of Gacha Committee, short version, right? Very short, 30 minutes. This is actually the second time I'm recording this video cuz the first time I I went through absolutely everything in the video going to be all about an hour long cuz that's just how >> Oh, so this is in recent uh to the in
0:30response. Okay, no wonder people want me to see this, right? So yeah, because I did response to this particular um what is this? This controversy right here. So apparently this artist got harassed. Now obviously harassment is bad, but I don't think there's proof that it was coming from anyone in particular, right? Is this Mtash's cousin? I don't think this is Mtash's cousin, right? Uh, let's see.
0:54Right. Let's see. What is this going to be all about? A parasite making a video. Who is this bald dude? Uh, okay. First of all, don't make fun of people for not having any hair. This guy is Ryuku Sensei. All right. Now, he reminds me of that cool dude in um what's that cool dude's name? Jason Statm.
1:14That's right. He reminds me of Jason. So cool. Right. Jason Stantum is my favorite actor. All right, so stop making fun of this guy. He's like the Jason Stantum Jr. All right. >> Bad of a cluster [ __ ] this entire situation is. So I'm going to try and record this video all over again to raise a bit of awareness about going in the not even in the wooden waste community, but just like in the gacha community.
1:37>> I'm more curious about this gacha grill or like the stuff that they did, right? Because I've heard of them, but I'm not familiar, right? I'm not too familiar with the stuff. Jason who Jason Stantum is an actor right >> in general because there's something that I feel that really needs to be addressed and drawn more attention to this >> is not okay and many of us in the community have just like kind of ignored it like live and let live let people enjoy what they want to enjoy maybe if we if we ignore it then it'll eventually go away stuff like that but no it just
2:07really doesn't seem like that that's happening whatsoever so I apologize in advance if this video a little all over the place cuz honestly there's some things in here that can be entire videos in and of themselves, but I just want to get this all together so it's all in one place. >> I don't understand this this style of uh face cam is like a long why do you need such a long People just need to know your look at your face, right? Like there's like the body there as well. I guess the body is cool, right? You got to show people your body.
2:33>> So, I want to start at the beginning of of the current round of what's going on in the community right now. What's going on, we need to know what's going on. And the reason why I want to go into this as well is because this is not just a simple case of people like arguing online, but it's actually going into illegal if not even like outright criminal territory as well. With that being said, let's get right into the video. So, there's this post here on Twitter. And yes, I know before a lot of you say, "Oh, that's Twitter. It's a cesspool." You're right. It is. But this
3:01is by no means limited or like restricted to Twitter. This is like expanded far beyond that. But this is like the first post that I saw that really got a lot of attention, a lot of attraction compared to some other. >> So yeah, just to summarize this particular person, Rudang is an artist, right? Uh she uh he they I don't want to misgender one of those, you know, I don't know what gender, right? But uh this person draws a lot of um Yuri art, right? And I think like she um again, I don't know if you're what gender. Uh this person then posted uh the Yuri art
3:34on the profile some of Wtering Waves run right like two Yuri characters kissing and stuff and I guess some Wtering Wave players didn't like it right and basically try to uh take that picture and like try to like fix fix it with AI right fix it with AI right do you guys have you guys seen like uh those art right they post on Twitter and then somebody will change the skin black fix oh now it's black oh like I I feel like sure right you want to do that fine let's do that right But uh I think it should be allowed if if you if somebody
4:03wants to do that, right? They want to put fix black. All right, that's fine. But don't be mad if somebody take a black character and change it to white and put fix because it can go both ways. It can go both ways, right? So I do think that that's going to be something that people have to understand, right? It's not just a one way one way thing, right?
4:24>> So I just want to read through this here. There's this um artist here called Blue Dang and they have like 24.8,000 followers and this is what they wrote. After careful consideration, I've decided that I will no longer be creating artwork related to weathering waves. So what what what happened that made them want to just drop anything to do with going forward. I believe many of you may already understand the reasons behind this decision. So I will not be going into further detail at this time.
4:50Yeah. And some of those reasons here are part of the the criminal things I was mentioning earlier. I still enjoy the game itself and playing it. This decision is solely about the artwork I create and should not be taken as a reflection of my feelings toward the game. I would like to sincerely thank everyone who has supported and appreciated my work. Your support has meant a great deal to me. If this decision leads you to unfollow, I completely understand and wish you all the best going forward. So that's the statement there. And so like what happened? Like I said, uh they make art mainly for like a yudist of like showing
5:22two female characters in like romantic situations. Some of the work that they've done, >> two female characters in romantic situations. >> Ah, >> got a lot of attention from a certain group and they sent all sorts of harassment in there and actually outright doxed this user here like full personal information, everything. And they were not shy about it. And I'm going to show you like proof of that in a moment as well.
5:47>> Proof after they made this statement here. >> You can't just show proof of people getting docks. You can't show that, right? So this is going to be how it is. You can tell he's a [ __ ] because he had a preface the actual video for 20 minutes. What >> actually bragging as well. So this is that statement there and this is one of the people here and you will be chased from every other community until you have nowhere left to hide. That is disgusting. daily there. Like I said, this is not limited to to people that claim to be a part of the wooden waist
6:17community, but also in the NTE community as well. >> NTE and wooden w >> NT and Wing community when it comes to homophobia and okay, artists. I don't understand this meme actually. I I don't understand what I'm looking at. Okay, what is this breaking bad >> community when it comes to homophobia and harassing >> I'm not going to read it. artists uh retry all this is actually one of the accounts there's another couple reminder the only form of gatekeeping is to ruin your hobbies reputation among these people and also women >> so basically these people are anti-LGBTQ right they are cooking so basically gacha grill is anti-LGBTQ
7:00I mean I don't see anything wrong with that personally I don't think I I personally don't see anything wrong with that if they want to be anti-LGBTQ why this works is because These people don't care about the game themselves, but only care about how their communities are perceived. >> As well, why this works is because these people don't care about the games themselves, but only care about how their communities are perceived.
7:19>> This statement, this particular state statement here is really [ __ ] ironic. It's just a huge amount of projection if I ever saw something. The community needs to do something about Gacha Grail, [ __ ] We >> Okay, the Wua uh community needs to do something about Gacha Grail. you [ __ ] own within waves. If you don't like that, do the same thing as this bum and leave. So, you might be like wondering what is gacha grail here.
7:46>> Yeah. What is >> I'm going to get into that in a moment. Let me just read this one here. Retra old. >> Wait, block this dude. Okay. >> Two. This is another alt account cuz a a lot of the accounts in this group that I'm going to be showing you guys, they all have like multiple alt accounts cuz the stuff that they are constantly spewing on uh on Twitter frequently gets them suspended if not outright have their accounts taken down cuz they are that bad. Even for like how bad Twitter is an absolute cesspool that it is, they are now so far based on what I see so
8:17far, the one that he showed earlier, right? those those are those response criticism I I think those are fine right now harassing is different he said harass and doxing right but I think those are just people just commenting and stuff say oh I don't like your art right I don't like your you know your yuri stuff I think those are like yeah sure somebody cannot people cannot like your stuff right what what you when you post things on the internet you should expect some people to not like your things right that's just how it works doesn't matter if it's a video it's a art you make is a photo of self. All
8:49right, that's just, you know, that's just how it works, right? >> Worse than that. I applaud the wedding community for gatekeeping misandress, heterophobic individuals that target straight male spaces. All ways characters are straight and your attempt at political activism is not appreciated. I mean, all ways characters are straight. And then there's just another reply from that same person here saying gachailed. So like what is gacha grail? So, for those that don't know, Gadget Grail is a community on Twitter and like spreading positivity and if we go by any of the previous posts that we just looked at, they are doing anything but that. And this is a group that's
9:28been around since around >> they are doing negative stuff. I mean, negative. >> Get this guy of the dental care. Yo, chill out, man. Yo, why you got to stare at people's teeth? Yo, leave people's teeth alone. July or August of last year, they mainly started being really active uh around Yuno's patch between Augusta and Yuno. And if you're on Twitter for any amount of time, they are absolutely infamous in the community in like the the gut community as a whole. Like they've been doing all sorts of absolutely [ __ ] up crazy [ __ ] Like if you remember a few months ago with James Day, the the voice
10:06actor for Alto. like when he made a joke on stream one time about saying like Alto and Brandt were were like in a in a gay relationship and that cannon like an obvious joke. They obviously didn't like that joke because they are pathetic humilous absolute sacks of [ __ ] But I'm going to try and keep my personal >> Yo yo yo yo yo chill out chill out. If people don't like your gay joke doesn't mean they are worthless humans. Some people just don't like gay jokes [laughter] like yo. So if you make a joke people have to like your joke and that's not how it works, right? That's
10:36not how it works. I I do think that a lot of people don't like gay jokes because it's just like first of all, gay is not something that's like common in a lot of countries, right? Like it's like maybe more open in like the EU and in the West. Sure. Right. But if you go to China, there's no gay jokes there, man.
10:51You go to uh I'm not sure about Japan and Korea, right? But I do think that generally, yeah, I feel like uh yeah, people can have an opinion. I don't think like yeah, there's if somebody makes a joke and people not everybody has to like that joke, right? And also like I don't think you can just say stuff and be like, "Oh, it's just a joke." Right? Because sometimes I think he's because this person is a voice actor apparently. So he might have to take things more serious.
11:14>> Crazy [ __ ] Like you might remember a few months ago with James Day, the the voice actor for Alto. Like when he >> voice actor for Alto, right? So if you are a voice actor, you are more your role is very important, right? You're the voice of the community. You're not just a regular player. You are voice of the community. So, of course, people expect you to respect the original the original uh intention of the the the direction, right? Like obviously Alto is not gay, right? I mean, everyone that plays the game knows like there's no such thing that he said that in the
11:47game right? >> Made a joke on stream one time about saying like Alto and Brandt were were like ship and that it's cannon. Obvious joke. They obviously didn't like that joke because they are pathetic, humilous, absolute sacks of [ __ ] But I'm going to try and see my personal feelings out of this, but it's going to be quite difficult because they are just that bad, you know. But they almost like limit their um actions to ways or in the wooden ways.
12:10>> I mean, if they say they don't like it, that's fine. But yeah, like uh he never say harassing or or like uh stuff, right? He just said they didn't like it. Okay. B equals to Yuri. Okay. Nothing to do. Can we stop it with a ball, guys? Guys, chill out. All right. One day you guys are going to be bored. All right.
12:25Stop it. Stop it with a ball >> game. [snorts] They've got like several gimmick gimmick accounts throughout different games such as NTA. They've also started doing stuff for Silver Palace ZZ. Like when it comes to again last year with um what was her name? Like there's that character where the VA posted a a GIF on Twitter with with that character with a LGBTQ flag in the background. Like she didn't know it was it was the flag or whatever. And part of a huge [ __ ] storm, they were also a part of like throwing harassment uh to her as well. But in this recent round of
12:59>> I think I sort of remember that, right? But I don't remember it was it was a [ __ ] storm, right? I think it's like Yeah. Uh it wasn't like Yeah, I can't remember. Right. If a joke gets you that mad to the point when you harass someone is pathetic. Yeah. But I don't see any proof of harassing yet. So it's just they didn't like the joke. Uh yeah, it's just it's just like he say she say kind of thing until there's like uh more more because he say he's going to reveal more proof or something, right?
13:24>> Things going in the past month or so. Not only have they been harassing this art artist here, they've got an absolute there's a document here with all the different artists harassing but not just harassing but actually they've actually been >> wait how did he get this document? >> Where did he get he made this document? OG artist. OG artist. Okay. stealing this these artists were and running it through generative AI to replace characters with not just Rover but male rover specifically like one two three four five six dozens upon dozens of >> now this one this one is the official X page right it's like all official X page
14:04a lot more that hasn't been added to this uh document as well and it's not just a matter of them targeting uh Yuri artists or Yari artists or anything like that they are going after any artists that make art that does not involve male rover like there's this one here which is a fan art of Susi with Jingan just after the 3.5 >> so any art that doesn't involve m I don't I don't get it right if somebody posts an art about uh anor sitting alone will that get harassed too I don't get it >> update and they actually went around and issued a false DMCA request to get
14:41completely taken down off the >> for multiple post not just this tight and it's still down to this day as well. So, there are like dozens of accounts doing this from Gacha Girl, but these are the four main ones. And honestly, I could go to any >> These are the four main ones doing this. Is it doing this harassment campaign?
14:58Okay, let's see the proof though, right? How do you know that these four are the one harassing? Is there is there proof though? >> One of these accounts and scroll through and you'll see like post after post all this different art that has been like >> accusation, right? Like to to to how do you even know, right? because like >> stolen from other artist AI to replace a character with Mail Rover. And the funny thing about it as well is like after they get caught out where they where they're caught stealing art from these artists when the artist messages messages them saying look you're still
15:29you're stealing my art that's not really cool >> they'll just block the artist which is like a whole other level of like rubbing salt in the wound. So this is the sort of thing that they would do right so the original art is here. This is an art of Austa and Yuno. Like you could be into that. You could >> Oh, kissing. Oh, Austa and Yuno.
15:47>> Kissing. Okay. So, what's happening here? So, they are kissing each other, is it? >> Be not into that. I don't really care. But what they would do, and it's not just one account here. Uh, they got one account here from um Sigilum and they replaced Augusta with Mail Rover and on another account, >> fix your art. The art is now fixed.
16:07Uh-oh. placed you know with Rover and this is another one called Withering Art and these posts are getting thousands of likes here you can see 10.7,000 likes so regardless >> okay but this one is not this one is not harassing though right if somebody takes your art and then they like change the AI does that count as harassing I'm not sure I don't think that counts as harassing right but uh let's see right maybe maybe there's more points to this walkie steel art yeah a lot of people stealing art I'm not sure if this is going to be like sure you can basically how do you do how do you deal
16:41with this right can you even it's not really so first of all you are not really stealing because stealing would imply that you just take it and it's a one to one but if you are stealing something and you are changing it so now it's no longer it's you cannot really say that it's yours right because it's modified right it's like changed right in a way so it's like it's a very complex thing I'm not sure if you can even lawsuit this because like they did swap it right they did swap the the uh character out. of whether you like the >> I think it's the they will call this
17:12like uh what's the term what's the term uh again for it like it's like when for a video like you react to a video right in that particular case uh fair use yeah they will call it fair use I think >> combination of Augusta and Rover together is a separate thing but stealing art through AI and then passing it off as your own and getting that much attention is just not cool in my >> I don't think it's really stealing I think this is under fair use you steal right sure you might not like AI but I I can see why people artists might not
17:39like AI but I do think that this probably counts. If you try to like bring this to court, I think the court will say, "Oh, they they did change enough things, right?" >> Opinion. So, you got all these accounts here of like stealing art and I'm not too sure. I'm not a lawyer to replace characters. But that's not it. As well, like I said, they've been doing issuing false DMCAs to at least two accounts that we know of, but they've also been doxing people as well. Like several people here, including Rudan, which is from the beginning of the video. And they would like make dedicated accounts
18:08to to doxing people as well. This account here is dedicated to doxing the >> dedicated new account just to do it. Daily hiyoki everyday. >> I'm not going to scroll [clears throat] down cuz you'll see actual pictures of people as well. I'll try and scroll to a part where it shows you how they get around the doxing or like what how they do it. And not only are they doing this to fan art as well, they're actually doing it to official art here. So we got this post here which was posted on the official Wenwiz account like one of the the calendar uh art images here. So they
18:40got this image here of Yangyang Swissi and also female rover on the site and they took that and they ran it through generative AI to replace female rover cuz they hate female rover just as much as any other character. They replaced it with male rover with swing and yangyang on either side with a swollen stomach. Obviously pregnant >> pregnant. Oh pregnant.
19:02Man, okay. [laughter] I don't I don't see anything wrong with this. So, you want to modify the official art and make it pregnant? I mean, sure. Right. Just I mean, yeah, make them pregnant, right? I mean, like >> lore accurate version. And it wasn't just a one time thing either. This is a post from the official wedding South.
19:22>> Oh, going to make this lolly pregnant. Wait, is that a lolly? Who is that? [laughter] >> No way. They're going to make the lolly pregnant, right? No way. >> Korean collaboration event here. The problem is because they are pregnant. How do you not see the problem? You cannot make a character pregnant. It's very offensive, right? >> Ath male rover and so okay male rover is there so they should be happy, right?
19:43>> Wrong. They did the same thing. They run it through generative AI to show Ath making out with Rover. Like >> I'm not going to like king shame on like where you stand on Amos. Uh >> I like what's wrong with this, right? Is this is this like an offensive thing? Is somebody going to do this? Right.
20:00It's okay. Wua use AI. [snorts] Yeah, this this is official. Is it? I didn't even know this is official, right? Yeah. So far is uh Okay. So, he's I think he's trying to build out a narrative to what these people like to do, right? They like to change the art. Okay. If somebody have a fetish of changing the art like is that really a problem >> relationship with Rover? But personally, I think that's kind of gross cuz in my opinion, again, my opinion, you can have your own, whatever it is. But I think it's kind of gross where it's very clear that Rover raised Amoth from a child as
20:30a daughter, but I don't know. I just think it's kind of weird. But this person obviously >> So, it's like kissing your own daughter. Okay. Okay. I mean, like, yeah, sure. Sure. Right. Um [laughter] I mean, you can you are allowed to have that opinion. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, right? I think I'm kind of covering his his face, too.
20:47Let me let me just turn off the face cam so you guys can see his face clearer. Right. >> Doesn't And they are not shy about that at all. They continue on to have this post here. The ideal relationship timeline. The ideal relationship timeline apparently where you see Rover taking care of little baby Aith here. She's growing up, >> getting bigger, and they're married. So this is their idea of >> so ideal relationship timeline. So what what is the problem here? So you got this one. This one. Okay. grow up. I mean like okay, if you think this is something that bothers you, I guess just I guess
21:23just uh either block it and stuff, right? I don't think that I so far I not think that I see is that big of a deal, right? Yeah, this is like probably like satire or just like somebody is a big fan of AMF, right? Uh none of these are like how many of you guys look at any of this and it's like, oh, this is the most offensive thing you have ever seen, right? Like I get it that some people might be more sensitive to this kind of stuff, but if that's the case, I guess just block it, right? Because like really like uh is there something that
21:49you got to get mad about, right? Okay, let's see more more to it, right? >> Ideal, which sounds like a bunch of like Usagi drop type [ __ ] in my opinion. Not for me, but you do you, I guess. But what's really ironic is that they say here that same person would then go on to say >> GG will never AI the following. male rover and female. Female rover and male rest our AI foder. So they would never AI the following male rover and female. Uh forgive me if I'm wrong, but uh this is male rover and female, right? So I mean sorry, why am I trying to like bring
22:24like logic to this discussion when this person really doesn't give actually two [ __ ] at all about anything as long as it gets them off. But continuing on, I was going to show something for from this account here, but they've actually just set their posts to protected. I might still be able to >> see on uh what's happening here is that there's this user that they have been forging screenshots as as a way to like say, well, it's not just us. the other side of doing it too like and they posted this here where this user wrote a post where they said that they
22:55bookmarked the art from 2NA and I'll I'll get to that in a moment of Amos without NSFW so I can crop over Rover. So before I continue they're saying that they want to crop out the Rover part because they really like the way that this artist NA draws Amoth. They have never, as they are insinuating with this post here, replaced Rover with Luke, but they have photoshopped this image here to insinuate that that's what they have done. And since they've done that, they've directed a lot of hate towards this person here, which is why >> I'm a little bit confused. So these two arts, so one is not real. It the whole
23:32artist situation isn't anything new. Okay. So, uh, very very interesting. I bookmark all the arts of 2NA of AMF, right? I think AM is AMF without NSFW. So, I can crop out and use the AMF art because generally the art is so pretty. Okay. I don't wish any harassment for the artist, but like they know uh they can draw something else. So, why not just switch up what you are drawing?
23:57Uh who who is who, right? I don't think the artist is I don't think these are artists, right? Where's the harassment? Yeah, I haven't seen the harassment yet. I guess the modifying the art is the harassment though, right? I'm not sure. Right. Okay. >> I guess they've put their post to protect it. And it wasn't just like one person putting it on on Twitter or something. There's actually a concerted effort to keep spreading this misinformation, not just on Twitter, but on all sorts of other different platforms as well. Like this is a moderator from our William Waves talking about it here. Moderator here. We are
24:29dealing with a coordinated wave of bad actors using this exact screenshot to frame Yuraya for a fabricated image. We are silent silently removing these posts on site and permanently banning the accounts involved. Do not fall for the smear campaign. >> Wait, what is this? That is that like an official watering wave uh watering waves launch. Yeah, I'm not familiar with this with this particular thing. Right. So, that seems to be the case.
24:52Uh so, Ura is being harassed, but there's no proof that is coming from those accounts. so far right you know the artist that guy really like Rover and Amy have great art though okay so this artist is being uh targeted is it okay let let's see more then okay >> fabricated image we are silently removing these posts on site and permanently banning the accounts involved do not fall for the smear campaign >> when they show examples of people posting this here like why is no one talking about this again trying to present it as a it's a both sides issue and like one side's getting attention
25:27but the other side's not getting attention Why is one side getting attention and not the other? Like they're trying to like push this false equivalency of like it it's beside the point cuz these screenshots are fake. They're they're fake. One account no lock 2446 double standards. Okay. Election whatever upper meaning 8629. These people are absolutely pathetic you know. And they made a follow post here saying a reminder on how are waves um woo waves.
25:52>> Okay. But how does he know it's fake and how does that makes the people pathetic? pathetic. You know, you get what's the point of the video? The point of the video is pathetic, fake, harassing, right? So, that's the point of the video is harassing, but we haven't get to that point. Chill out, chill out, chill out.
26:09Right? We're going to get to the point soon. Apparently, these people have been harassing, harassing artists. >> Operates, we are here for high quality art, lore, and gameplay. Zero tolerance for doxing, harassment, or weaponized shipping wars. Bring that toxicity into our space and you will be removed. We protect artists. Simple as that. And just circle back to that 2NA that I mentioned earlier.
26:29>> Okay, that's a good art. Okay, so what's wrong with this art? >> This is a post by an artist called 2NA. And they made this post here of Mail Rover doing the hair of Aith, which just at first glance looks like a wholesome image of for most people of a father doing the hair of their daughter, which is something which is not uncommon until you look closely at this uh book here.
26:50This is actually that reading of parenting with the insinuation that she's expecting and uh mail rover is the father. Again, I don't really care about people that enjoy this particular ship. You like whatever you want to like as well. When this post came out, there was some negative attention sent to this artist because yeah, it's gross. It's not a case of as gachil people were trying to portray it as of people being upset with a straight ship. It wasn't the case of them being a straight ship like at all. It was case of like a more incestrous or what how people felt as being an incestrous ship. But again, I
27:22don't really care about that. I actually made a post about. >> So he's met at Gacha Grail because uh incestrous. I've never heard of this term before. This I learned a new word. So incestrous is somebody that likes incest. Is it incest? The west. He clearly does care. He does care, right? But I like this Jason Stantum guy, guys. Stop hating on him. This Jason Stathm guy is so cool, man.
27:44>> It's at the time as well. Let me just pull it up. And this is what I say all the time as well. I 100% agree with every word of this from this post here. But just to make it clear, if you don't like art that someone posts on their own profile, ignore, mute, block. Easy. This goes for you art, master love art, or whatever. I do not care. Don't harass them. Don't force your opinion onto them. Just leave people the [ __ ] alone.
28:10Is that so hard? And that has been my stance for everything, for this entire thing as well. People post art on their own personal profile. That is completely fair and that's completely fine. If people take that art and they're spamming it into people's replies and and saying, "No, you have to believe this [ __ ] That's not the same." Then no, that is not cool at all. Just people posting it on their own accounts. That's perfectly fine. There should be no harassment to this artist. There should be no harassment at all to this artist.
28:40This artist was also another case of like back in September 2000. >> Where's the harassment somebody? Okay, maybe he's saying that if somebody takes your art and modify it, that's harassment, is it? If that's if that's the case, then I understand, right? But so far, I haven't seen I mean like they are just uh typing it and stuff, right? Like the sun and the moon type [ __ ] Okay. Like the sun and Okay. Is this a Okay. Is he is is there is something here >> 25 of getting brigaded and absolutely harassed by Gatil cuz they've been around since before here mainly they said they were active around this time
29:18that's just been my stance of this from the very very start and about those forged screenshots this is what uh one of the people from gre say that they are completely denying it as well they're saying urar tourists still couldn't recover from losing their ur artist so they are now resorting to just straight up lying gg aied blue 2NA art to false flag, whatever. Basically, they're saying that they are not the ones that generated the AI art of Luke instead of Rover and Okay, maybe they didn't, but the main part the main >> Yeah, because like there's no proof of them that they did it they did any of
29:51the stuff earlier, right? Like how do you know who did what? >> Like if somebody posts a picture, how do you know? Uh if somebody posts a picture on an account, you don't know who is the original person that make that picture, right? It could be from anyone, right? So, it's like that that's just not how it is. So, yeah, there's no harassment.
30:11He doesn't like the people. Uh yeah, I mean like he's allowed to not like the people, right? But I do I do want to give him the benefit of the doubt, right? Because like this is the first time I'm watching this guy, right? Remember, he's my favorite actor, guys. He's my favorite actor and he looks just like him, man. Okay, anyways, let's proceed.
30:31is that they are image and they're photoshopping it as if they are the one that did it. That is the biggest thing here like in this in this part here. So yeah, maybe they didn't generate the image but they certainly photoshopped it, didn't they? And again to add even more insult to injury >> I yeah they did photoshop either they photoshop it or maybe they they put it into AI to do it right. So yeah, maybe this is offensive urat tourist. Okay, couldn't recover losing their urati. So they are now uh lying. Okay, it's an old image. Okay, so it's all on 4chan. Maybe it's all on 4chan that they actually
31:07found this in 4chan, right? >> Oh, by the way, how is Rudang doing? And they go laughing here. But the thing is this is not the only thing that they're doing as well. They're trying to do other things to to like both sides of equation like to try and make it out as if the other side is doing things just as badly or just as much as they are as well. So, there's actually a few very suspicious accounts that have been made quite recently. There's this account here, F Rover Art, which is taking a very similar naming uh naming scheme to the other posts or the other accounts
31:35from these gachel people as well. Biggest female rover fan on X. I only post about things I like. Please don't harass me. And they got this post here of like them clearly. >> Okay, that's a good art. >> AI generating art including female rover. But the thing is this account here was made in August 2026 2026 and it's currently uh August 3rd. So it can only be in the past three days and in those >> okay so it's a very new account. So he he found out this recent account. Okay.
32:03>> Three days they have four followers and one of them is a Gacha Grail member here. So that is incredibly suspicious if you ask me. >> Suspicious. Very suspicious guys. So one of the member one of a member is a gacha grill member. It's it is suspicious but I don't think it's proof. All right. You get what I'm saying? Let's say somebody make a new account and that account has one follower and that follower is a pedal.
32:33Does that make the new account a pedal? Right? I don't think that's how it works. Right? I think like um you get what I'm saying? Like it's not proof of anything, right? Just because somebody followed you and somebody is in a group doesn't mean now you're also in the group because that person follows you, right? I don't think I don't think it is suspicious but like it's not really uh enough right?
32:52>> There's this other one here which was made well the account itself was made in 2020 but they had a name change in just the past couple of months and it's been completely like inactive for that entire time until very recently. If like if we go to the media page here, go to the very first image. This was posted uh July 6th, so about a month ago of them replacing the original image. I think it was like an image of uh Rover and uh Dena with a picture of Siga saying, "Yo, Burn Galaxy, yo, thanks for subscribing, man. I appreciate it, man. Appreciate it." Yeah, we're checking out this
33:24particular uh I have no idea what I'm looking at actually. Apparently, this group harassed people, but so far I've never seen anything bad done by them so far. Right. I don't think there was anything crazy, but yeah, it's about about this gacha grail group >> needed a tiny little fix for the cannon ship. Again, timing for this is incredibly suspicious. So, we've got them stealing art running it through journey image of it needed a tiny little for the cannon ship. Again, timing for this >> Yuri. Yuri. Okay, so there's Yuri, there's Yuri >> is incredibly suspicious. So, we've got them stealing art, running it through
34:00generative AI to replace characters with male rover and only mail rover, whether it be Yuri art or Yahi art or even street art because like I said, they they hate the the string and swi um pairing as well. They also hated the Canerella and branch shipping and alto as well. Like they just hate any ships that don't involve mail and mail rover specifically. And they're doing that for fan art and official art as well.
34:25They're forging screenshots to like both sides issue. They're creating new accounts again to give off the impression like no. >> Okay, but how does how does he know that they are forging screenshots though, right? Cuz I don't like sure I've seen he did show some screenshots earlier, but how do you know those screenshots are made by them? Because it wasn't one of it was made by somebody from 4chan or something, right? Uh I I'm not sure, right? Because all of this is like all over the place, right? Like I think there's a lot of yeah you can maybe say some of this is suspicious but like
34:57again I think the important topic is all about the harassment right because so far there's no like harassment so yeah >> no it's the other side is doing it as well and to make things worse on all these posts where um gach is getting called out for this kind of behavior very often or more often than not there's going to be someone in the replies that is spamming gore like I'm not going to like show the the media tab of this account here but Most recently, there's this account, Blast Off NBs. NB stands for two specific things. N is the N word, and B is babies cuz the gore is
35:32very specifically um images of black children murdered and like mutilated. It's absolutely disgusting. Whenever there's posts calling out gacha or anything like that, there'll be accounts. >> So, why is that why is that Twitter not not uh not banned yet? Right. If you're posting gore, shouldn't it be banned on Twitter? Actually, I have no idea. Does does Twitter ban those things? I don't know if Twitter ban those things, right?
35:55So maybe uh you know maybe the Okay, first of all, how do you know that this account is associated with we're talking about Gacha Grail here, right? So he just randomly find found this particular uh racist account with like gore stuff and then like already he made a connection to Gacha Grail. So let's see what's the how does he know that right >> like this and many others which have thankfully been taken down by Twitter because people are reporting them as well. It's just account after account after account and this is just the latest version of that. So on top of all of that they're also posting gore as
36:27well. And I have also had gore sent directly to not just my post but also into my DMs as well. The reason why they're doing all of this is because they're trying to like impose >> Wait. He's getting it from that account. He said that he's getting it in his DM. Is it from that account? Uh, okay. So, if people are doing that, then I think that's really bad, right? But at the same time, I don't see the connection yet, right?
36:54So, uh, spreading positivity, okay, >> upon the community that they are the target audience for not just waves, but just for for gacha in general, like all of gacha, all gacha belongs to them and people like them and the community that they >> But it is though, right? A lot of these Chinese gacha games are literally make they make gacha games for people who are straight. They are right. Like I don't know why he's pretending that's not the case. Who like you think these hoyverse games all of these wthering wave are for LGBTQ people? They're not, man. They're not meant for they are not made for people who are gays, lesbians.
37:31I mean I'm not trying to be mean here, right? I mean this is just how it is, right? like why is he like why why is this a difficult thing to comprehend right like a lot of these developers are definitely making all of these Chinese devs are making all of these games for straight males right like I don't think that's that's false at all yeah but uh yeah you can maybe if you don't like it I guess there are some western games like that but yeah I I do think that most of these games are indeed for those are the target audience >> they hate the absolute most is the Hoyo
38:02community because because they see the Hoyo community as being full of the people that they don't like. They see the whole community as being quote unquote infested by the LGBTQ uritard whatever type of people as well and they >> okay I mean that's kind of true though right there are there is a lot in those of those people in like Genshin Hong Kong star definitely right [snorts] but yeah those are the >> absolutely despise that and they see wooden >> maybe not ZZ though I'm not sure right maybe there are some in ZZ but not as much as uh the other ones right >> and these other games as being a way to
38:34attack Hoyverse and to attack the the Hoyo community. And that's why they're really really aggressive like spreading and doing all this stuff in the Wooden Waves community because they're they're trying to like hold on and protect for lack of a better term >> what they think as their community because they think that they are the target audience and like just no they are not the target audience. They are a target audience because the target audience for for Kuro and any of the these other gut games is people with money. That's just all it is. People with money that enjoys playing this game or that game. That's literally all it
39:08is. And these people are trying to like >> So he thinks that uh people with money are going to enjoy I mean like if you are really like if you are really uh you know like a lesbian and you have money, why would you play something that's not made for you? Right. I I do think that that's uh I I get his point. Right.
39:28Definitely. Right. Anyone with money can play the game. Sure. But at the same time, there's like there's there's definitely a target audience for sure. Right. There's definitely uh I think he's kind of dishonest right there. Right. But yeah, that's that's like one one aspect to look at it. push out and gatekeep the the the gotcha not just from the Yahi enjoyers, Yuri lovers, LGBTQ, but also just women in general, which is really [ __ ] funny cuz if they were true in that then why is Kuro like spending like dropping serious money to buy special editions in women's gaming magazines in Japan? Like not just
40:06once but twice because I've got like videos going through his magazines on this channel as well. >> Uh I do think that Kuro will do that for advertising, right? So if they can push out uh more of those, it's mostly just for advertising, right? So if you can put your your stuff in more magazines, generally that's going to be how it is.
40:23But uh yeah, you still you definitely still want women to play the game, but they are not the main target audience, right? There's going to be like primary one and secondary one, right? Unless it's love and space. I'm sure there are some women that that plays it, right? But it won't you can't deny that that's not going to be the main one. Oh, and for the sake of repeating myself, I'm just going to read what I put about this whole Rudang situation like word for word. All right, >> gacha are absolute parasites in the gacha community, infecting any and every game, claiming it as their own. Even
40:53worse still, they get referred to as being part of the waves community, if not as the ways community in general, by those who don't know any better, or those that do, but just want to dog on wooden waves. It needs to be made clear. They aren't a part of any community other than their own toxic cesspit circle jerk. That's all it is. Gacha Grail is just a circle jerk of people that cannot stand anyone that has a different opinion to them. They need all of these gut games to do one thing and one thing only, to stroke their egos 24/7. And if the gudge games aren't
41:28doing that, like say say for example the recent Lucille quest where it wasn't the master love type thing that they were expecting, they throw an absolute hissy fit. And like I said, they do this for every game regardless of what it is. Like a lot of it is to do with wedding waste cuz that's the one that came out first like after Genshin, but not >> I mean uh yeah, sure. Right. But I don't think are they throwing a hesive feed though, right? Uh I feel like if you are if you don't like certain things, there's nothing wrong with that, right?
41:54And I think Twitter is where you can express your opinions freely. I think everyone, you know, should be allowed to do that if >> to them like whatsoever. So this account here is also part of CEO of Hyuki. Uh they've also doing the same thing for recent Silver Palace art as well, like Mail Rover because they've got to have Mail Rover in there somewhere. They're doing the same thing for NTE as well, like generating AI art of the NTE characters as well. Same thing for ZZ.
42:16They're replacing Belle with Wise cuz they just cannot stand even if it's even if it is the the MC, they cannot stand the female MC. got to be the male MC. And the same thing for Nice Anfield as well. There are many many other >> Anfield has blocked you. Damn. He he get blocked by a lot of people.
42:33>> He get blocked pregnant. Like I don't see like how is any of these a big deal. All right. I don't really get it. >> Gimmick accounts out there for all the different games like Blue Archives, Snow Break, Brown 2, just everything. So no, they are not a part of any one community. They are not a part of the Ginch community. They are not a part of the wooden wave community. They're not part of any of these communities other than their own. They're trying to like spread out and claim everything for themselves. And again, they do not care about anything other than just forcing male the male MC into any and all ships
43:06cuz they cannot stand anything else ever. Like this. >> But how are they forcing it? So that's the thing that I don't understand, right? If they make this art and they post it on their own Twitter, how are they forcing it? And he keeps saying that they are harassing the artists. like how are they harassing the artist by sending the artist their version of the art like the one that's like modified and stuff. Uh if that's the case then I think I don't really personally I don't find that that big of a deal right like the artist can just block them right but yeah I do think
43:36that uh also this oh is this like a different outfit >> this one here which is kind of crazy like let me just let me read it got this picture here of Swiss sweet and Jam making out again straight ship and then this one here from very tolerant guy another infamous person from gachel saying you make [ __ ] like this then wonder why men rape women like which is a whole other level of insanity that I just like what the hell man and it's not even just about like blaming women for for rape like being a rape apologist but actually like self-professed rapists themselves and again tying this all back
44:09to Rudang which is what kicked off this entire >> is that is that like a joke I have no idea right it could be satire it's hard to tell for sure right handle yeah like all of these are like very interesting accounts eh >> thing that's happening right now really think that they they deserve to live which is a bit harsh in my opinion But let's harsh continue here. Yes, we deserve to live. So they're identifying as a gut trailer. The game is catered to us and if you make personal or user generated content that isn't in line with the spirit or ethos of the game,
44:36you are essential to destroying the fabric of the community and the game. Hence, you need you deserving to be weeded out. Just hold that thought. If you make personal or userenerated content that isn't in line with the spirit or ethos of the game, I don't know, man. I think like putting official art from Wither Waves from the official Wither Waves page through AI is kind of going, what does he say again? I don't think that's in line with the spirit or ethos of the game when it's [ __ ] official. But putting that aside, this person here has this on their profile, sensitive young man, institutionalized
45:08rape supporter. So damn, >> they're still like supporting rape, which is >> Snow Break Blue Archive. Brave nine, brown dust one. No brown dust chasing either. >> Cool. But that wasn't their original profile, was it? This is what their original profile actually said. Sensitive volcell naturalb born rapist. So they were like identifying as a rapist themselves. Jeez Christ. And these people are out there and the thing is like they think that they are the normal ones. Like what the [ __ ] So yeah, I apologize for this video being absolutely all over the place, but I really do feel like it needs to be drawn
45:42attention to. And like I don't even know what to say, man. It's like if people are putting >> I think it's cringe, right? If you want to identify yourself as a as a whatever, you can, right? I mean, it's Twitter, right? People identify themselves as a fish. They identify themselves as a sponge. They identify themselves as a helicopter. I don't really care. I mean, they can put whatever they want. Why Why would Why would that bothers you, right?
46:05I mean, like, uh, somebody can write whatever they want in the profile, right? He, him, they, asexual, this, that. I don't know, right? Like, it's all over the place. It's a joke. Uh maybe it's a joke, right? But I I do think that some people take uh I think that that one is like borderline sensitive, right? Because like calling yourself a something, right? Can you be a penguin? I'm sure you can, right? Good representation. Good representation.
46:28Wow. >> Art on their own account and not bothering anyone else, then just like if you if you like that, give them a follow. But if you don't like that, if you don't want to see that stuff, then just ignore it, >> mute it, block it, and go on with your day. And again that goes for absolutely everyone no matter what side of this conversation that you are on. And again it bears repeating that these people these >> Yeah. So the best way right if you are an artist that you are getting like you are sort of like uh you know you are the one that gets so quote unquote harassed
46:56or whatever just block these people right and just move on because like I I don't I'm not sure if like so far he hasn't really shown any of the the harassment stuff right. I think so far I think we can pretty much conclude that the harassing was basically uh means that they basically send you the art and stuff right identifying as a doro enjoyer I guess so right thanks for that >> people from gacha grail are not a part of any certain community they are a part of the hoy community as much as I am cuz I played Genshin I played HSR I played zzz I don't play anymore and I I bet
47:29most of the wooden waves players are also the same I bet most of them are also exgen players as well so if gutrail are part of um Genshin's community because they used to play Genshin then that goes for absolutely everyone else to this day even though from what I've seen they hate the Hoya community like the current Hoya community with an absolute passion but in saying that they hate everyone equally anyone that isn't onetoone in lock step with their specific mindset and what they think on these games like one for one for one like honestly these people just need to get out and touch some [ __ ] grass cuz
48:00this mindset >> is not healthy like this the stuff that they're doing stealing the artwork, running it through generative AI. >> I think gatekeeping mindset is going to be what a lot of people want to do right now because uh here's the thing that he doesn't understand, right? Maybe maybe Ryuku sensei he doesn't really understand. The reason why a lot of people have this kind of mindset is because they don't want to see a lot of these games end up becoming like the western games, right? Because like like if you look at what happened to let's say World of Warcraft, right? Uh apparently right now it's being evade in
48:31invaded by a lot of like maybe LGBTQ people right if you look at uh any of these like Bungie for example right that used to make like good games but now like Marathon and stuff you know it did a lot of these like even Ubisoft right I think Ubisoft is going to be a very very good one right Concord yeah like I do think that a lot of people are sick and tired of that so if they like the game they like the game so much that they want to protect it you know I personally see that as okay so you you just trying to protect something that you like and
49:00something that you love, right? Hopefully to not uh you know let it get changed and cater to those people. So I see it uh from from that particular angle, right? So I I'm not sure if he understood that's probably why, right? It's because they are being made in California. And I do think that uh you know sometimes you can a lot of these people will try to change the direction of the game uh the representation of the game etc. ETC right? So those are going to be the stuff >> blocking the original artist after they've stolen it. filing false DMCA's claiming to be Kuro games, burning
49:30official Kuro games art through generative AI as well, sending gore, faking screenshots. >> He never really show he never really showed the DMCA thing though, right? Because like how do you actually know if somebody is from the gaja grill, right? He never really showed that. You can see somebody DMCA you but you don't really know where they are from, right? I think that one is like I think he's making an assumption. That's fine. He's allowed to make the assumption but like yeah, a lot of these things are there's no like clear indicative of it, right?
49:56indication of it. >> I could just go on and I've not even gotten on to like the the the quoteunquote parody accounts like that's like laring as me or other people as well. Like there's an account on here which is if it wasn't so sad it would be kind of funny to be quite honest. Like they've got a profile picture which is very very similar to mine with a name that's very similar to mine and they're just posting like the most insane [ __ ] almost daily because I don't know they they have this weird cook fetish and they're trying to like project their fantasies onto me cuz I don't think I've
50:25mentioned this in this video so far but >> Gach absolutely hates me like more than any other content creator as far as I'm aware. So yeah, they're going to love this video, aren't they? If you want to know why they hate me as well, I I actually went through it uh on stream like a few months ago. So, I'll leave that linked in the description as well below. So, if you want to check that out as well cuz it's just like Jesus Christ, man. I don't even know what else to say cuz uh yeah, but I just wanted to raise awareness to this as well. And hopefully
50:49we can get the attention of Kuro Games in on this as well cuz this is actually not the first time they've done that because like just a few months ago back in March, they issued this statement here after was doing the same thing by issuing fake DMCAs on behalf of Kuro Games where they were like striking down all sorts of other fan art as well. And this is what they said at the time as well. We have recently identified instances of malicious reporting and removal of Weatherways fan created content on X Twitter. Okay. Under the official name of Withering Ways. We would like to clarify that Withering
51:17Ways has neither authorized nor participated in any reporting activities related to fan creations. We have gathered the necessary evidence and will um submit it to X Twitter requesting a thorough review of the reports to prevent similar instance in the future. It needs to be doubled down. It's happening again. We will take all appropriate legal and reasonable measures to protect our rights and address any infringement or reputational harm caused by such fraudulent actions.
51:40And to any like people from Gatal happen to be watching this video here. I want you to pay specific attention. >> Yeah, this is up to the company to to do, right? Like the company should investigate into this, right? It's not really like any of other people's job because we don't really know who actually who actually did this, right?
51:54Is it like really gacha grail or someone somebody else, right? >> Attention to this here. We will take all appropriate legal and reasonable measures to protect our rights and address any infringement or reputational harm caused by such fraudulent actions. And this part here goes exactly against what you guys are going for like this post here. Reminder that the only form of game coping is to ruin your hobbies reputation among people here. So you ruining Wooden Way's reputation and Kurogame's reputation is directly going against what Kurugame wants. So in essence, in fact, no, not even in essence. Like in actuality, you doing that makes you not the target audience
52:33for games and not the target audience for weathering waves at all. You need to [ __ ] stop. And very up to them, they always say that they're just defending the the the fandom. They're just defending from the the uh like the Euro types, like the really the really aggressive fan shippers that like pushing their their ships onto everyone else. I'm like, if that was true, I would support you. I would I would support Gatrail if that's what they did.
52:58But that's not what they do. They go after anyone and everyone that just makes fan art and posts it on their own accounts. if they were going after people that were for uh that were in the replies and like harassing other artists like say for example if there was a an artist that made a straight ship of Rover and another female character and then they got bered by people saying no you can't do that because that character is in a relationship with whatever and and there's a lot of harassment aimed at that person. If Gutrail was specific and they were only going after the people
53:30that sent that kind of harassment, I would be 100% on Gutrail's side. But they don't. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they do. But nine times out of 10, they're just brigading anyone that's making any kind of fan art that they personally do not agree with. But >> yeah, this video has been getting too long. This is supposed to be the shorter version, but it's like 2:30 in the morning. I've got to edit this video and get it out. So long video.
53:54>> Peace. >> Oh shoot. What did I click on? Wait, there's like a longer version. Where can I see the longer version? Right. Okay. So uh >> this is actually the second time I'm recording this. >> Very long video. Very long video, right? I do think that, uh, I think this video is all over the place for sure, right?
54:12There's going to be a lot of very, very serious no longer versions, very serious accusations and stuff, but uh, I'm not sure, right? Like the entire thing is he's claiming that Gacha Grail is harassing artists. So how is it harassing if they are post by posting uh I guess by posting the art and modifying the art and I guess fixing the art right like for me that doesn't count as harassing but I guess for some people that counts as right for me it's like yeah it's not that big of a deal but I guess you know like uh if a lot of artists I guess they get very offended
54:45by that I get it right but like uh the truth is like people people like you post art on the internet people can sometimes take your art and change it right so at the end of the day like this is something that like uh it's not really for other people to police, right? And I feel like um if you think that is against the terms and service of the website, right? For example, like for X or Twitter in that particular case, yeah, sure, then report them, right? But if not, then there's really nothing that you can do because at the end of the day, just because just
55:15because you don't like something doesn't make it against the rules, right? If somebody takes your art and then they modify the art uh by changing it a little bit, they say, "Oh, fix your art. I fix your art." Now, is that against the rules of uh you know, in this case for for Twitter, right? Or X, right? If it's not against the rules and X allows it, then there's really nothing that you can do other than just maybe block them and move on, right? Because like, you know, at the end of the day, if you're getting mad over this and the rules of the website literally allows that. So
55:47that's like, you know, Wokies fix the art all the time. That's the thing, right? Wokies fix the art all the time. So this is going this is now like I think essentially like what's happening back to them as well, right? Jason Stantum, dude, Jason Stantum is cool. All right. All right. So this is a cool video. I'll link it to you guys. Right.
56:05So it's uh interesting stuff about But outside of that, so Gacha Grill is basically just um Kuro could have done something about this, but nothing for Kuro to do. There's nothing that Kuro can do because the website allows it. The website if if Twitter allows that, if X allows you to post, let's say if uh I think the best thing is for you to block if you see something you don't like, just block it and move on, right? Rather than try to uh try to take something down because I do think that you're wasting your time and because if the website allows that, what is going to prevent somebody to
56:41make a new account, right? So, you get what I'm saying? And also like I I don't think like I'm not sure about like I'm a little bit like torn about Gacha Grail because I don't see any like serious proof about them like doing something that's like super super bad. So far based on what I see uh modifying uh take downloading somebody's art and modifying it. Uh it's like is that that is that really that big of a deal? Right? Like I feel like it's like I'm just looking at this like okay this is a bunch of kids like doing kids stuff, right? Like is it
57:08that big of a deal? Right? Like do people really get mad about this? I guess like yeah if you are mad about that then yeah just block and it's like YouTube right like if I scroll YouTube if there's going to be a bad video let's say there's this oh shoot what is this saying don't cross the line okay so let's say there's this video right I don't like this I can just yeah just say don't recommend and stuff right like it's not that big of a deal right at the end of the day that's just how things should be but yeah uh it's all over the
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